US continues to go backward...

When everyone in research flees to Europe, how difficult and expensive will it be to try to convince them to come back in 4 years or whatever it takes to get past this stupidity? That is assuming they will be willing to risk it.
Why would they come back once their research programs are established in Europe? It is too difficult to uproot and re-establish a research program once, much less twice.
 
Why would they come back once their research programs are established in Europe? It is too difficult to uproot and re-establish a research program once, much less twice.
That was kind of my point. You'd have to pay out the a@@ to make it worth the pain to shift again. This isn't a couple year issue, it's going to set us back probably at least 10-15 years.

When 75% of scientists are considering leaving, even if only half actually do it, you're down over 37% of a very highly trained group of people.

They feed development and if coming from universities, you're losing the ability to teach the next generation that could down the line fill some of the gap being created.
 
That was kind of my point. You'd have to pay out the a@@ to make it worth the pain to shift again. This isn't a couple year issue, it's going to set us back probably at least 10-15 years.

When 75% of scientists are considering leaving, even if only half actually do it, you're down over 37% of a very highly trained group of people.

They feed development and if coming from universities, you're losing the ability to teach the next generation that could down the line fill some of the gap being created.
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Post doc fellowship funding is drying up. If you want a post doc fellowship right now you are looking elsewhere.
 
That was kind of my point. You'd have to pay out the a@@ to make it worth the pain to shift again. This isn't a couple year issue, it's going to set us back probably at least 10-15 years.

When 75% of scientists are considering leaving, even if only half actually do it, you're down over 37% of a very highly trained group of people.

They feed development and if coming from universities, you're losing the ability to teach the next generation that could down the line fill some of the gap being created.
Would be interesting to see unbiased numbers on $ paid out by feds in grants that MAGA is s cheering as savings against lost tax revenue from research halted/exported, ancillary jobs created now removed and the associated tax revenue and then the actual lost $ associated w research removed and results (drugs/processes/devices/cures) moved out of US.

I’ve seen figures where for every $ spent by fed at NIH, that $ returns 2.5 to 4 x.
 
Would be interesting to see unbiased numbers on $ paid out by feds in grants that MAGA is s cheering as savings against lost tax revenue from research halted/exported, ancillary jobs created now removed and the associated tax revenue and then the actual lost $ associated w research removed and results (drugs/processes/devices/cures) moved out of US.

I’ve seen figures where for every $ spent by fed at NIH, that $ returns 2.5 to 4 x.

That's the way it works with the federally government.

Is there waste? Absolutely
Is there a bunch of money spent that has both short term and long term benefits? Also absolutely

If we want to figure out and debate how to cut out the waste without impacting the good federal dollars do I'm all for that. Cutting off our head to spite our face, not so much.
 
Would be interesting to see unbiased numbers on $ paid out by feds in grants that MAGA is s cheering as savings against lost tax revenue from research halted/exported, ancillary jobs created now removed and the associated tax revenue and then the actual lost $ associated w research removed and results (drugs/processes/devices/cures) moved out of US.

I’ve seen figures where for every $ spent by fed at NIH, that $ returns 2.5 to 4 x.
I’m not sure about the federal return, but state institutions live off patents generated from federal research grants. When I was an undergraduate in pharmacy school I was a lab assistant for the chair of the pharmaceutics department. He held more than 100 patents. One of the patents he held was for that fly trap stuff that attracts flies and traps them in a jar. I worked on that in his lab with fruit flies. When federal funds dry up it will affect state institutions a lot worse than the Ivy League institutions with large endowments they are targeting.

We are only four months into the Trump administration and it is a nightmare.
 
I’m not sure about the federal return, but state institutions live off patents generated from federal research grants. When I was an undergraduate in pharmacy school I was a lab assistant for the chair of the pharmaceutics department. He held more than 100 patents. One of the patents he held was for that fly trap stuff that attracts flies and traps them in a jar. I worked on that in his lab with fruit flies. When federal funds dry up it will affect state institutions a lot worse than the Ivy League institutions with large endowments they are targeting.

We are only four months into the Trump administration and it is a nightmare.
These cuts are going to hurt OSU substantially, mark my words.
 

So because this guy doesn't like the books (even though he admits he never read them), nobody gets to read them.​



School board member admits to banning books without reading them, faces lawsuit

"I don't like them. I wouldn't read them. I'll be honest I've read the reviews on some of them…" With these words at a public meeting, Tennessee's Rutherford County School Board member Stan Vaught admitted to banning books he hadn't read - a revelation that kicked off a federal lawsuit.


Three students and the writers' organization PEN America are suing the Rutherford County School Board for systematically removing more than 140 books from school libraries, including works by Nobel and Pulitzer Prize winners. The lawsuit alleges the board violated students' First Amendment rights by banning books based on personal disagreements rather than legitimate educational concerns.

According to the complaint, board members relied primarily on BookLooks.org, a website connected to the Hitler-quoting group Moms for Liberty, instead of reading the books themselves or considering their literary merit. The board repeatedly overruled their own librarians' recommendations to keep books like Toni Morrison's Beloved and Margaret Atwood's The Testaments, and Ernest Cline' Ready Player One because it has "characters discussing beliefs that heaven and god are not real."



The hasty removal process created chaos in school libraries. Some had to close their circulation desks as librarians scrambled to pull hundreds of books from shelves. Students were even ordered to immediately surrender checked-out copies of banned titles.

"The Board's removal of books was-and continues to be-motivated by their desire to suppress ideas that were not in keeping with Defendant's political values," the complaint states.
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