US continues to go backward...

[RxCowboy]

When everyone in research flees to Europe, how difficult and expensive will it be to try to convince them to come back in 4 years or whatever it takes to get past this stupidity? That is assuming they will be willing to risk it.

Why would they come back once their research programs are established in Europe? It is too difficult to uproot and re-establish a research program once, much less twice.

 

[mugatu]

Why would they come back once their research programs are established in Europe? It is too difficult to uproot and re-establish a research program once, much less twice.

That was kind of my point. You'd have to pay out the a@@ to make it worth the pain to shift again. This isn't a couple year issue, it's going to set us back probably at least 10-15 years.

When 75% of scientists are considering leaving, even if only half actually do it, you're down over 37% of a very highly trained group of people.

They feed development and if coming from universities, you're losing the ability to teach the next generation that could down the line fill some of the gap being created.

 

[Polds4OSU]

California mayor wants to give homeless people 'all the fentanyl they want': 'Need to purge these people'​

Link

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[RxCowboy]

 

[RxCowboy]

That was kind of my point. You'd have to pay out the a@@ to make it worth the pain to shift again. This isn't a couple year issue, it's going to set us back probably at least 10-15 years.

When 75% of scientists are considering leaving, even if only half actually do it, you're down over 37% of a very highly trained group of people.

They feed development and if coming from universities, you're losing the ability to teach the next generation that could down the line fill some of the gap being created.

Post doc fellowship funding is drying up. If you want a post doc fellowship right now you are looking elsewhere.

 

[HacklemanPoke]

That was kind of my point. You'd have to pay out the a@@ to make it worth the pain to shift again. This isn't a couple year issue, it's going to set us back probably at least 10-15 years.

When 75% of scientists are considering leaving, even if only half actually do it, you're down over 37% of a very highly trained group of people.

They feed development and if coming from universities, you're losing the ability to teach the next generation that could down the line fill some of the gap being created.

Would be interesting to see unbiased numbers on $ paid out by feds in grants that MAGA is s cheering as savings against lost tax revenue from research halted/exported, ancillary jobs created now removed and the associated tax revenue and then the actual lost $ associated w research removed and results (drugs/processes/devices/cures) moved out of US.

I’ve seen figures where for every $ spent by fed at NIH, that $ returns 2.5 to 4 x.

 

[cowboyinexile]

Would be interesting to see unbiased numbers on $ paid out by feds in grants that MAGA is s cheering as savings against lost tax revenue from research halted/exported, ancillary jobs created now removed and the associated tax revenue and then the actual lost $ associated w research removed and results (drugs/processes/devices/cures) moved out of US.

I’ve seen figures where for every $ spent by fed at NIH, that $ returns 2.5 to 4 x.

That's the way it works with the federally government.

Is there waste? Absolutely
Is there a bunch of money spent that has both short term and long term benefits? Also absolutely

If we want to figure out and debate how to cut out the waste without impacting the good federal dollars do I'm all for that. Cutting off our head to spite our face, not so much.

 

[Polds4OSU]

Meta Says It's Okay to Feed Copyrighted Books Into Its AI Model Because They Have No "Economic Value"

Meta Says It's Okay to Feed Copyrighted Books Into Its AI Model Because They Have No "Economic Value"

Accused of illegally using copyrighted books to train its AI, Meta argues that those books are individually worthless.

futurism.com

 

[RxCowboy]

Would be interesting to see unbiased numbers on $ paid out by feds in grants that MAGA is s cheering as savings against lost tax revenue from research halted/exported, ancillary jobs created now removed and the associated tax revenue and then the actual lost $ associated w research removed and results (drugs/processes/devices/cures) moved out of US.

I’ve seen figures where for every $ spent by fed at NIH, that $ returns 2.5 to 4 x.

I’m not sure about the federal return, but state institutions live off patents generated from federal research grants. When I was an undergraduate in pharmacy school I was a lab assistant for the chair of the pharmaceutics department. He held more than 100 patents. One of the patents he held was for that fly trap stuff that attracts flies and traps them in a jar. I worked on that in his lab with fruit flies. When federal funds dry up it will affect state institutions a lot worse than the Ivy League institutions with large endowments they are targeting.

We are only four months into the Trump administration and it is a nightmare.