Ukraine. Ukraine. Ukraine.
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If Putin doesn’t respect and obey tRump, why is the Donald giving away so much? Has Putin promised to grant tRump to build hotels in Russia? I don’t know, but other than his seeming desire to destroy the country, why the love fest with a KGB murderous thug? Ideas, best guesses?
mugatu
Sheriff
Trump expresses doubts Putin is willing to end the Ukraine war, a day after saying a deal was close
President Donald Trump says he doubts Russia’s Vladimir Putin wants to end his war in Ukraine. Trump is expressing new skepticism that a peace deal can be reached soon.
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Trump expresses doubts Putin is willing to end the Ukraine war, a day after saying a deal was close
President Donald Trump says he doubts Russia’s Vladimir Putin wants to end his war in Ukraine. Trump is expressing new skepticism that a peace deal can be reached soon.
I think he believes the last person he has spoken with. Zelensky had a chance to speak with him without any of his advisors present so he gets it for a bit. Putin will call him tomorrow and he will say the dude wants peace
mugatu
Sheriff
YEP! There were stories about that from '16-20. Chief of staff making sure he knew who the last person was to talk in a meeting and would stick around for a bit after everyone else left to make sure the "right" opinion was the last one Trump heard.
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Marshall
mugatu
Sheriff
US, Ukraine sign economic deal after Trump presses Kyiv to pay back US for help in repelling Russia
The U.S. and Ukraine have announced an economic deal after a weekslong press by President Donald Trump calling on Ukraine compensate Washington for more billions in military and economic assistance to help Ukraine repel the Russian invasion.
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Stillwater Townie
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Sounds good but surely Russia thinks it's owed billions, too.US, Ukraine sign economic deal after Trump presses Kyiv to pay back US for help in repelling Russia
The U.S. and Ukraine have announced an economic deal after a weekslong press by President Donald Trump calling on Ukraine compensate Washington for more billions in military and economic assistance to help Ukraine repel the Russian invasion.
mugatu
Sheriff
F-16s Pulled From U.S. Boneyard Are Being Delivered To Ukraine For Spare Parts
The U.S. had not committed to giving Ukraine its F-16s, but images of the type being flown out of Arizona on a Ukrainian An-124 began circulating last week. The non-operational F-16s appear to be the first examples supplied directly to Ukraine from U.S. stocks.
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Apparently we are providing F-16's from the boneyard to Ukraine so they have parts for their jets. Awesome.
F-16s Pulled From U.S. Boneyard Are Being Delivered To Ukraine For Spare Parts
The U.S. had not committed to giving Ukraine its F-16s, but images of the type being flown out of Arizona on a Ukrainian An-124 began circulating last week. The non-operational F-16s appear to be the first examples supplied directly to Ukraine from U.S. stocks.
Apparently we are providing F-16's from the boneyard to Ukraine so they have parts for their jets. Awesome.
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Marshall
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Marshall
Trump’s Ukraine minerals agreement is a terrible deal for the US
When Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky visited the White House in February, he was supposed to leave Washington DC with a coveted agreement that would turn the United States into one of Ukraine’s major economic partners. A table and chairs were set up in the next room, where presidents Trump and Zelensky would sign the accord and shake hands. We know how that played out. Trump and vice-president JD Vance dressed Zelensky down in full view of the cameras and the Ukrainian president was asked to leave the premises.Now the US-Ukraine minerals deal is finally done. Weeks of intense talks, in which US and Ukrainian negotiators exchanged drafts, rejected each other’s maximalist terms and pressed one another in the media, have culminated in a framework that is far more preferable to Kyiv than the Trump administration first sought. The Ukrainians are giddy, if only because they avoided the White House’s original idea, which was essentially a full-blown American capture of Ukraine’s natural resources.
Based on the terms that have been publicly disclosed, the deal looks like an ordinary US investment pact. Ukraine will retain sovereign control over its natural resources and get to determine when (and where) they are extracted. A joint United States-Ukraine Reconstruction Investment Fund will be established, with both countries contributing. For the first 10 years, profits from new licenses are expected to be re-invested in Ukraine’s reconstruction. Any additional US military support to Kyiv will be counted as an investment.
It’s a pretty solid deal for the Ukrainians. Less so for the United States. Trump, who is obsessed with countering the perception that the US is being ripped off by foreign nations, won’t be getting paid back for the tens of billions of dollars Washington has already handed Kyiv in the form of military and economic assistance. Nor will the US own Ukraine’s rare earth minerals; the rights seem to remain firmly in Kyiv’s hands. Trump will play up this entire scheme as evidence of his amazing deal-making prowess, yet despite the fund’s joint ownership structure, Trump didn’t get the repayment he was once demanding.
In fact, the whole negotiation was a bit odd. It made perfect sense from Kyiv’s point of view. Zelensky pitched the plan to Trump last year, hoping that offering financial incentives would persuade the US to take more interest in Ukraine’s long-term future. Trump presumably bought into the idea because it was an investment opportunity of potentially gargantuan proportions, had to do with rare earths (and let’s face it: Trump is fixated with rare earths), and gave him the chance to trumpet a big, beautiful economic bonanza that other presidents could only dream of.
Yet outside scratching a vanity itch, it’s unclear why Trump devoted the time and attention to such an endeavour in the first place. Indeed, the agreement doesn’t really guarantee anything at all. Its implementation depends entirely on whether the war in Ukraine ends. And despite the Trump administration’s ongoing diplomacy, there isn’t much evidence that a peace deal is any closer today than it was earlier in the year.
Putin is still demanding full Russian control over five Ukrainian regions, three of which Russian forces are still fighting over. He has rejected or stonewalled every US bid to get a serious ceasefire off the ground, first by raising technical questions and then by predicating any halt to hostilities on US and European sanctions relief. Putin’s unilateral ceasefires, including an upcoming three-day cessation beginning May 8, seem geared more towards softening any future punishments Trump may have in mind than in creating momentum for a genuine peace process.
Zelensky, meanwhile, remains emphatic that Ukraine will never, ever, formally recognise Crimea or any other Ukrainian region that Moscow now occupies as Russian territory. He wants an immediate 30-day ceasefire to kick off the process, and only then will direct talks occur. The Russians continue to resist this plea, and as much as US officials like Marco Rubio, Steve Witkoff and Keith Kellogg are trying to keep talks alive, all of them appear to be getting increasingly frustrated.
In short, the most likely scenario is more war in the weeks and months to come, which means the US-Ukraine economic deal finalised this week will be a stack of documents sitting on the shelf, collecting dust.
It’s also ironic that Trump – who has long viewed US stakes in Ukraine to be low, the risks of escalation high, and the entire war as a suck on the US taxpayer – thought it was a smart idea to approve an agreement that entangles Washington further in Ukraine’s affairs. Trump is setting the stage for further US involvement there in the future, especially if the mooted American investments come under threat.
Is this wise strategically? While Russia hawks in Washington and European capitals will argue that it is, one must weigh it against other long-term considerations. Does this help or hinder any future US administration’s efforts to rebuild a working relationship with Russia after the war ends? Will this help or hurt Washington’s professed goal to push Europe into taking far more responsibility for security in its own neighbourhood? More fundamentally, was any of this even debated before Trump green-lit these economic negotiations?
Trump is going to have a hard time justifying why the juice of Ukraine’s mineral wealth is worth the squeeze.
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Marshall
Trump on Russia-Ukraine peace negotiations: “Maybe something I can’t…maybe it’s not possible to do.”
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Trump on Russia-Ukraine peace negotiations: “Maybe something I can’t…maybe it’s not possible to do.”
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Donald Trump's approval rating collapses with rural Americans
Rural voters have long been a cornerstone of Trump's base, and any slippage in their support could have major implications for future Republican success.
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Trump went from +22 with rural voters in February to +1 with the same group this week.
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Marshall
Yeah ...SUUUUUUURRRRREE
(Reuters) - US Defense Secretary Hegseth misinterpreted discussions with President Trump about Ukraine policy and aid shipments, ordering a halt to flights carrying weapons that caught the White House off guard. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/or...pons-caught-white-house-off-guard-2025-05-06/
(Reuters) - US Defense Secretary Hegseth misinterpreted discussions with President Trump about Ukraine policy and aid shipments, ordering a halt to flights carrying weapons that caught the White House off guard. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/or...pons-caught-white-house-off-guard-2025-05-06/
said Karoline Leavitt, the White House spokeswoman. “The bottom line is the war is much closer to an end today than it was when President Trump took office.”
OPEC helping out ending this war as much as anyone these days.......60+% of Russian revenue is from fuels. Squash that and this stalemate gets tougher. There is a flip side that it makes them more desperate and thus more likely to use more advanced weapons but at least Europe won't be funding this war at the prices they are now.
Welcome back. First post in this thread for a couple of months.
So how do you think this whole peace in the Ukraine is going about now?
Your views from a couple of months back changed any?
How's Trump and the boys doing in your eyes with this issue. We know what your views on Biden's handling of this were, but I haven't a clue what your thoughts on whether Trump is handling it any better.
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