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what you and many on this board don't see is how out of touch the dem party is with reality.
both parties would/could fall under this...I feel the Reps are more out of touch with reality...itś really about your political beliefs and where you align...

The message of the Dem party right now is TRUMP BAD.
I was actually naive enough to think this would be enough...he was/is one of the worst presidents ever, and here we go again...
they took DEI, a great concept, way too far to the point its unpopular
way generalized statement...and the other way to look at it is that the reps have freaked out on it the other way (took it personally way too far)...
The dems lost the middle class
This is turning...middle class lost faith with dems because of the economy and prices of goods...welp, the economy is not getting better and prices are still bad, so the middle class is/will lose faith with reps...newsflash: neither party (leaders) overall give a $h!t about the middle class...

Your post was too long, so I just responded to the ones that jumped out at me...
 
They are left, but they are not extremists. Everything is distorted with how far right everything has shifted. Bill Krystol (yep that one) is now a "leftist". Wild times.
That is telling. Someone saying a self-described Democratic Socialist is not extreme.

 
A lot has changed since 2021, which is when the article you posted was written.

A lot has changed in the last 90 days.
Whether you are correct or not about the above, it does not change the fact that AOC and Sanders are definitely on the far left side of the spectrum in the Democrat Party. If they become the face of the party for 2028, which it appears they are attempting to do, @Polds4OSU is correct. If the GOP runs another crazy person, the country will be faced with again choosing between the lesser of two evils. Instead of, what we should want to see happen, a party chooses someone more moderate.
 
you frequently defend an extremist...just saying...
I would never argue that Trump is not extreme. Never had once.

Again, just because someone is not strongly anti-Trump does not make them a Trump fan. I dislike and disagree with many things Trump — hate the tariffs for example, his disinterest to control the debt, media threats, his tweets, his behavior, and being so thin-skinned. But also know that the other choice, Harris, was also another extreme. Having AOC and Sanders be the leads for the Dems is not good, IMO. 2024 was a choice between two evils for many of us and 2028 may look exactly the same.
 
@Vakarian74 what you and many on this board don't see is how out of touch the dem party is with reality. That's not to say a massive amount of the critiques of Trump and his policies aren't 100% accurate and there isn't some really scary stuff happening. Nothing was accomplished in the last 4 years and a lot got worse. The message of the Dem party right now is TRUMP BAD. That is 90% of the platform. And it isn't wrong. Trump is bad. But the dems aren't doing a thing a about it and screwing up on things like the border. Middle class families who's cost are up 30%.....part of that is Trumps fault but he is 4 years removed and people get paid weekly so memories get short.....don't care about the funding of private institutions their kids have less than a fraction of a percent chance of getting into with $50B in the bank. They don't care enough to donate $5 of their own money if it burned to the ground. They don't care about one guy who came here illegally initially with past gang connections when their local services are strained.... they aren't listening to a party or media that admits they don't have an accurate number for how many crossed, how many died trying, or the whereabouts of 1000s of children that now cares so deeply about one....don't expect an outpouring of empathy for a single person in Maryland when their schools teacher/student ratio changed, housing in their city went up, and wages in their area depressed. Don't expect the masses to understand the legality of a case when this is a board that is connected by the fact we went to a university and only one of us could really speak to the law with any accuracy.....everyone can see a party that acts like this is the end of the world but did nothing for entire term. They don't care if some of DOGE's "findings" are incorrect because some are correct and the totals of those are more then they would make in 1000 lifetimes if you just take 5% of them. Everyone has known for decades about wasteful spending.....doing "something" (didn't say the right thing or method) about it looks better than doing nothing but complaining. The masses aren't going to understand how tarriffs work in two months.....they aren't all going to understand how reckless it is to tariff Canada 25% at 9:00am and 0 at 5:00 pm. The message of "if tariffs are bad why does everyone do it to us" is better to families in swing states that lost manufacturing jobs than "you're blue collar you don't even understand what's happening". The dems entire focus is take down Trump not governing.....it's not a winning message and they are going about it horribly....idiotically bad because they are so out of touch with the rank and file middle class American. And that is no way a statement that Trump gives a single solitary shit about said rank or file or can relate to those people in any way.....but he is working on their overtime and tips not getting taxed and the dems are talking about Harvard losing 4% of what they have in the bank...no one feels sorry for Harvard. It's a loser and will be loser in the mid terms and next presidential election.

A Dem should join DOGE the majority of people like the idea....get involved. Find some things for themselves then criticize cuts that are incorrect or taking a hatchet to employees. Talk about changing massive bills....say "I messed up and voted for this and it needs to be cut but it was buried in a 2000 page bill and I'm going putting forth a bill to stop that".
A Dem should work with ICE the majority of people know the dems created the border crisis.....study the database try to create a system of these folks that are actual criminals and get them out, create one of good people that need help staying, say here is a real path to citizenship in a stand alone bill not one that is 80% of funding went to Ukraine or Isreal. Pick someone better than Garcia with a sketchy past and complex legal battle to plaster on the news.
A Dem should look into what money is going to private schools with massive endowments....they took DEI, a great concept, way too far to the point its unpopular....fight for public ed funding stop the rapid inflation of college costs and deflation of it's value. Not buy votes by sticking loan costs on people that didn't go to college.
A dem should get on board with banning red dye number whatever not criticize a stance on a vaccine most everyone took that didn't keep them from getting a virus....they lost a job and health care costs are skyrocketing....don't expect them to appreciate the X% decrease in hospital stays.....admit COVID was fumbled....go after pharma go after 50 ingredient food. RFK is a nut job but he is doing "something" and that resonates more than "you don't believe in science if you don't do what I say"

I'd run to vote for that person and I didn't vote in either of the last two elections.

All the dem party does is complain and throw insults at people. They act better than everyone while doing absolutely nothing. That turned off 20M people from all demos across the entire country....and the response has been to double down. The message of if you aren't with us you are racist, facist, dumb got it's ass kicked by a dumb racist because he talked about not taxing overtime....then did something about it. The dems coined the phrase country over party to justify skipping a primary....when their actions are party over country because they aren't doing anything but going after an opponent instead of governing. You can say the same things over and over and but it hasn't and isn't working. Again the dems just lost to a guy in orange make up with 34 felony convictions. Don't like Trump completely change as in 100% change your message and put forth something of substance because nobody likes a whiner and that's all it is now. .

The dems lost the middle class and middle of the political spectrum of all demos....20M of them.....to Kid Rock and billionaire with radical policies because people identify better with him. Maybe look at the marketing side and actually create an operations side.
In short, quit voting for Republicans and Democrats, especially at the national level and vote 3rd party. They have become more like extremists, neither liberal or conservative. It's beyond pathetic that the best Democrats could come up with was Biden and Harris and the best Republicans could come up with was Trump and Vance.
 
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Judge finds probable cause to hold Trump administration in contempt for violating deportation order

A federal judge on Wednesday said he has found probable cause to hold President Donald Trump’s administration in criminal contempt of court for violating his orders to turn around planes carrying deportees to El Salvador.

U.S. District Judge James E. Boasberg said the administration must try to “purge” itself of a contempt finding, or he will launch hearings and potentially refer the matter for prosecution. “The Court does not reach such conclusion lightly or hastily; indeed, it has given Defendants ample opportunity to rectify or explain their actions. None of their responses has been satisfactory,” the judge wrote.
Trump should at least be big enough to ask of the El Salvador dictator and say, "Things did not go as well as I thought they would with this Garcia guy, so release him for me, and I'll send him straight back to you if and when the court rules that he must be deported after all.
 
In short, quit voting for Republicans and Democrats, especially at the national level and vote 3rd party. They have become more like extremists, neither are liberal or conservative. It's beyond pathetic that the best Democrats could come up with was Biden and Harris and the best Republicans could come up with was Trump and Vance.

That was the bizarre thing a little over a year ago. No one seemed to want Biden or Trump, but those were the two everyone knew we were stuck with.
 
Whether you are correct or not about the above, it does not change the fact that AOC and Sanders are definitely on the far left side of the spectrum in the Democrat Party. If they become the face of the party for 2028, which it appears they are attempting to do, @Polds4OSU is correct. If the GOP runs another crazy person, the country will be faced with again choosing between the lesser of two evils. Instead of, what we should want to see happen, a party chooses someone more moderate.
I don't think you are a centerist, nor are you the arbiter of what centerism looks like. Outside of tariffs, your main issues with trump are cosmetic and proceedural, not susbtantive. Thinking Harris was/is far left tips your hand.

Pretty much every other western democracy has real leftist parties, and they look much different and have a much different platform than any democrat does--including AOC and Bernie Sanders.
 
both parties would/could fall under this...I feel the Reps are more out of touch with reality...itś really about your political beliefs and where you align...


I was actually naive enough to think this would be enough...he was/is one of the worst presidents ever, and here we go again...

way generalized statement...and the other way to look at it is that the reps have freaked out on it the other way (took it personally way too far)...

This is turning...middle class lost faith with dems because of the economy and prices of goods...welp, the economy is not getting better and prices are still bad, so the middle class is/will lose faith with reps...newsflash: neither party (leaders) overall give a $h!t about the middle class...

Your post was too long, so I just responded to the ones that jumped out at me...
You can feel in one hand and count votes in the other and see which one fills up faster. The political beliefs you are referencing aren't as much of a priority right now when folks are having a harder time affording a living. And as I said a whole lot of that is Trumps fault......but they get paid on Friday, he was president 4 years ago when he did his damage, and gas is down today. Fair or not I'm not wrong cause the vote tally supports it.

I agree completely on DEI....but it went to far to the left......now there is out right racism going on. But people don't want to hear about DEI when their costs are up 30%. The end of it is better than the continuance when you're living off a credit card. And not enough people feel bad for Harvard to win an election in a decent size city. It's the wrong hill to die on.

I agree completely that neither party cares. The majority of Americans don't have 5K cash savings and don't care if wall st moves and don't feel the sting of that can mean immediately. Overtime on tax and tips is the biggest boost for middle class, blue collar, service workers in a long long time. That matters more and again it's something. The way the tariffs are being handled could blow up like a bomb.....but I manage a place where a mechanic makes $45-55/hr and we just had an outage.....not getting taxed on 20-25 hrs a week of OT for 4 weeks at 90-100 is a big deal and felt instantly....and at year end. A nurse can pick up extra shifts and pay for a vacation. The dems wanted to forgive student loans......student loan debt and lending practices is something that needs addressed.....but it hit with a smaller part of the population that has or should have more anyway. Again....what is the message and what is being done. I'm not defending Trump I'm telling you why the dems have a lower approval rating than Donald Trump.....the giant douche bag.

It's the marketing guys.....no one likes it. What does Carville say.....the job is to win you can't do anything if you don't win. And the dems are losing badly.
 
Bernie and AOC are pulling 30k size crowds sizes in towns with 80k total residents...in counties Trump won by DOUBLE DIGITS

they are both crazy far left wing extremist...and still pulling massive crowds in Deep red Republican territories the last two weeks

My point is.....Trump will deliver the US and future policy into the hands of those two on a golden platter in the upcoming elections...unless all of us can band together really quickly and find a centrist we can rally behind

We better find a moderate we can support and rally too or this pendulum will go crazy left if u, me, is can't
I don't regard them to be "crazy far left-wing extremists" on a number of issues. For instance, Bernie wants universal health care. That's nothing new or extreme. Most civilized countries have it in some way. America even has for people 65 or over.
 
That is telling. Someone saying a self-described Democratic Socialist is not extreme.

Democrats are too extreme on transgendered issues. Most people feel that allowing transgendered women to play sports with actual women isn't fair or right. As a result, many new individual female sports records have been broken by transgendered women as in weightlifting for starters.
 
I don't regard them to be "crazy far left-wing extremists" on a number of issues. For instance, Bernie wants universal health care. That's nothing new or extreme. Most civilized countries have it in some way. America even has for people 65 or over.
Your issue here is comparing them to modern civilized countries

In that aspect...no they are NOT extremist

However in traditional American politics, the level of socialism they push is considered far left wing

Two different lenses to look at them through

The problem with everyone is America wants to pretend we have no socialism..when in fact we have a crap ton of it already

Bernie and AOC will have to untangle how , what, when Americans consider a public service, project, or tax paye funded event as acceptable...vrs wasteful socialism

Hard thing to change the way people think.

Here are great example for you.
Social Security Disability recipients can get taxpayer funded benefits that include.
Taxpayer Funded things that are NOT considered Socialism

Food Stamps
Rent Assistance
Pay for Rides to and From Dr Apts
In Home Cleaning Services
Monthly Welfare Check to do with as they well
In home Therapy paid


However,
That SAME person getting all those things on Taxpayer dimes.

Give that SAME person a taxpayer funded Cell phone OR access to High Speed internet so they can sched apts, pay bills, arrange services, , call Rides etc etc and use the services Tax Payers already cover....SOCIALISM!! That Phone Is SOCIALISM !!
 
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So this another thing I won't understand. He ran in 2016 on simplifying the tax code so much that you could file on an index card or something (which would have hurt the tax prep industry). Now he's undoing a free filing option for simple returns at their request.

Nothing like propping up an industry that I think only exists in the US because our tax code is so complex.
 
I don't think you are a centerist, nor are you the arbiter of what centerism looks like. Outside of tariffs, your main issues with trump are cosmetic and proceedural, not susbtantive. Thinking Harris was/is far left tips your hand.

Pretty much every other western democracy has real leftist parties, and they look much different and have a much different platform than any democrat does--including AOC and Bernie Sanders.
Thinking Harris was not far left more than tips your hand.

I don’t claim to be a centrist. My ideology is strongly libertarian. Very strong fiscal conservative (why I like Trump tax cuts, but don’t like his spending) and fairly liberal on social issues.
 
Democrats are too extreme on transgendered issues. Most people feel that allowing transgendered women to play sports with actual women isn't fair or right. As a result, many new individual female sports records have been broken by transgendered women as in weightlifting for starters.
There are LESS THAN 10 Trans Athletes in the NCAA
and Less than 100 Trans Athletes in High School.

TOTAL...in all the US...

There is NO SUBSTANCE here on this topic. Dems should take the stand that people undergoing transition should compete on co-ed teams and support NCAA and High Schools to start Co-Ed Teams ONCE THEY REACH ENOUGH TRANS ATHLETES TO FIELD AN ENTIRE TEAM OF TRANS ATHLETES and until then, the Dem's shouldn't even be talking about this topic.

The Risk for taking a stand on a topic that literally cost you MILLIONS of votes and only affects LESS than 100 Athletes out of 7,857,969 High School Athletes Nation Wide.

America can figure out that issue when it affects More than 0.0012% of the Population ....and Republicans are Freaking IGNORANT to pretend that 0.0012% of a Population has Ruined America and American Sports.

There is NO THERE THERE...for either side....but the Republican stance only makes them look Mean when they attack the 0.0012% population and doesn't cost them many votes at all, because they are in opposition to a "Problem" the Left literally invented.
 
There are LESS THAN 10 Trans Athletes in the NCAA
and Less than 100 Trans Athletes in High School.

TOTAL...in all the US...

There is NO SUBSTANCE here on this topic. Dems should take the stand that people undergoing transition should compete on co-ed teams and support NCAA and High Schools to start Co-Ed Teams ONCE THEY REACH ENOUGH TRANS ATHLETES TO FIELD AN ENTIRE TEAM OF TRANS ATHLETES and until then, the Dem's shouldn't even be talking about this topic.

The Risk for taking a stand on a topic that literally cost you MILLIONS of votes and only affects LESS than 100 Athletes out of 7,857,969 High School Athletes Nation Wide.

America can figure out that issue when it affects More than 0.0012% of the Population ....and Republicans are Freaking IGNORANT to pretend that 0.0012% of a Population has Ruined America and American Sports.

There is NO THERE THERE...for either side....but the Republican stance only makes them look Mean when they attack the 0.0012% population and doesn't cost them many votes at all, because they are in opposition to a "Problem" the Left literally invented.
👆 👆 👆 👆 THIS!!!

There has to be middle ground. There are valid points on both sides. There is a million miles of room for compromise. 70% of people are against trans athletes competing in sports in the gender they transitioned to according to CNBC so not some right wing outlet. Pushing that agenda was so incredibly stupid and actually hurt the trans movement.
 
@Vakarian74 what you and many on this board don't see is how out of touch the dem party is with reality. That's not to say a massive amount of the critiques of Trump and his policies aren't 100% accurate and there isn't some really scary stuff happening. Nothing was accomplished in the last 4 years and a lot got worse. The message of the Dem party right now is TRUMP BAD. That is 90% of the platform. And it isn't wrong. Trump is bad. But the dems aren't doing a thing a about it and screwing up on things like the border. Middle class families who's cost are up 30%.....part of that is Trumps fault but he is 4 years removed and people get paid weekly so memories get short.....don't care about the funding of private institutions their kids have less than a fraction of a percent chance of getting into with $50B in the bank. They don't care enough to donate $5 of their own money if it burned to the ground. They don't care about one guy who came here illegally initially with past gang connections when their local services are strained.... they aren't listening to a party or media that admits they don't have an accurate number for how many crossed, how many died trying, or the whereabouts of 1000s of children that now cares so deeply about one....don't expect an outpouring of empathy for a single person in Maryland when their schools teacher/student ratio changed, housing in their city went up, and wages in their area depressed. Don't expect the masses to understand the legality of a case when this is a board that is connected by the fact we went to a university and only one of us could really speak to the law with any accuracy.....everyone can see a party that acts like this is the end of the world but did nothing for entire term. They don't care if some of DOGE's "findings" are incorrect because some are correct and the totals of those are more then they would make in 1000 lifetimes if you just take 5% of them. Everyone has known for decades about wasteful spending.....doing "something" (didn't say the right thing or method) about it looks better than doing nothing but complaining. The masses aren't going to understand how tarriffs work in two months.....they aren't all going to understand how reckless it is to tariff Canada 25% at 9:00am and 0 at 5:00 pm. The message of "if tariffs are bad why does everyone do it to us" is better to families in swing states that lost manufacturing jobs than "you're blue collar you don't even understand what's happening". The dems entire focus is take down Trump not governing.....it's not a winning message and they are going about it horribly....idiotically bad because they are so out of touch with the rank and file middle class American. And that is no way a statement that Trump gives a single solitary shit about said rank or file or can relate to those people in any way.....but he is working on their overtime and tips not getting taxed and the dems are talking about Harvard losing 4% of what they have in the bank...no one feels sorry for Harvard. It's a loser and will be loser in the mid terms and next presidential election.

A Dem should join DOGE the majority of people like the idea....get involved. Find some things for themselves then criticize cuts that are incorrect or taking a hatchet to employees. Talk about changing massive bills....say "I messed up and voted for this and it needs to be cut but it was buried in a 2000 page bill and I'm going putting forth a bill to stop that".
A Dem should work with ICE the majority of people know the dems created the border crisis.....study the database try to create a system of these folks that are actual criminals and get them out, create one of good people that need help staying, say here is a real path to citizenship in a stand alone bill not one that is 80% of funding went to Ukraine or Isreal. Pick someone better than Garcia with a sketchy past and complex legal battle to plaster on the news.
A Dem should look into what money is going to private schools with massive endowments....they took DEI, a great concept, way too far to the point its unpopular....fight for public ed funding stop the rapid inflation of college costs and deflation of it's value. Not buy votes by sticking loan costs on people that didn't go to college.
A dem should get on board with banning red dye number whatever not criticize a stance on a vaccine most everyone took that didn't keep them from getting a virus....they lost a job and health care costs are skyrocketing....don't expect them to appreciate the X% decrease in hospital stays.....admit COVID was fumbled....go after pharma go after 50 ingredient food. RFK is a nut job but he is doing "something" and that resonates more than "you don't believe in science if you don't do what I say"

I'd run to vote for that person and I didn't vote in either of the last two elections.

All the dem party does is complain and throw insults at people. They act better than everyone while doing absolutely nothing. That turned off 20M people from all demos across the entire country....and the response has been to double down. The message of if you aren't with us you are racist, facist, dumb got it's ass kicked by a dumb racist because he talked about not taxing overtime....then did something about it. The dems coined the phrase country over party to justify skipping a primary....when their actions are party over country because they aren't doing anything but going after an opponent instead of governing. You can say the same things over and over and but it hasn't and isn't working. Again the dems just lost to a guy in orange make up with 34 felony convictions. Don't like Trump completely change as in 100% change your message and put forth something of substance because nobody likes a whiner and that's all it is now. .

The dems lost the middle class and middle of the political spectrum of all demos....20M of them.....to Kid Rock and billionaire with radical policies because people identify better with him. Maybe look at the marketing side and actually create an operations side.
The only response to this I have is your proof the far right has won the information war. Their propaganda works because people fear. Every side republicans are on is about fear of someone else. It’s proven it works and it’s proven people will slit their own necks because they demean others.
 
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