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Yes, laws should be followed. What federal law do you show as being broken?
Never mind. This settles it.
 
Quebec holds off on retaliatory measures as Trump pauses U.S. tariff threat CBC

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau announced Monday that U.S. President Donald Trump will hold off on tariffs for at least 30 days, and in response, Quebec won't take action — for now.

Premier François Legault said promising tariffs and then suddenly pausing that threat at the last minute hurts Trump's credibility. He said the incertitude has already hurt the economy.

"For now we are happy," he said. "But we have to continue planning for the worst."

He confirmed late Monday afternoon that, for now, Quebec is pausing its retaliatory measures. But the provincial government is planning various ways to hit back.

Earlier Monday, Economy Minister Christine Fréchette floated the idea of a 25 per cent price increase on all calls for tender from the U.S.

"We are going to introduce, nothing more, nothing less, the equivalent of a 25 per cent rate on these submissions," Fréchette said on Radio-Canada's radio show, Tout un matin.

Under this new levy, "there is practically no chance for these companies to qualify," she said.

A spokesperson for Fréchette later said in an email that the move had not been finalized.

The possible levy is part of a broader attempt by the province and Canada as a whole to respond to the United States' looming 25 per cent tariffs.
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'We're going to protect ourselves,' Legault says​

In response to Trump's tariffs, Canada has said it will impose 25 per cent tariffs on $155 billion worth of American goods.

Legault said he and other premiers unanimously support these retaliatory measures, adding that Canada's counter-tariffs would "benefit our companies by 25 per cent."

"We're going to protect ourselves and we're going to fight Mr. Trump," he said.

More than 100,000 jobs will be lost in the province due to the tariffs, according to the premier.

"We have to stand up, we have to fight to protect our economy, to protect our jobs," he told reporters Saturday night.

Earlier, the Quebec government asked the province's liquor board, the Société des alcools du Québec (SAQ), to remove all American products from its shelves starting Tuesday. But Legault has since said that also will be paused.

Montreal Mayor Valérie Plante said in a statement she was also exploring options, including imposing a 25 per cent levy similar to Quebec's on calls for tender on city contracts.

"We will be working hand in hand with senior governments and our economic partners in the coming days to respond with strength and determination to this unjustified attack on our economy," Plante said.

Legault said the majority of Quebec's exports go to the U.S., but the province clearly needs to be more diverse with its exports to become less dependant on the U.S. and "we will work on that in the next 30 days," he said Monday.

"We have to be ready for all kinds of scenarios with this guy," he said, referring to Trump.
 

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You just don’t get it, do ya?! Canada and Mexico understand that a tariff war hurts both countries involved, that people will lose jobs, so they try to do what’s better for their people! They further realize they are dealing with a narcissistic 4th grader so they offer a deal (most of which they were already doing), give him a participation medal and try to figure out future plans cuz this 4th grader will never advance to the 5th grade!
But continue to act like tRump is doing great and cares for anyone other than his rich “friends”…magas gonna maga
 
So in my opinion the DOGE stuff is a massive overreach and needs to (and will) get the clamps put on it. That said, its still the right idea using the wrong method. If the president wants to declassify all this federal spending and make it public that's a good thing. If much of it is too embarrassing for politicians to stand behind it all needs to be voted out. We are in dept. Every president in my lifetime has talked about dept. Every president in the last 30 years has let it get worse.

Yes, we may be the #1 provider of all these aids, but we are also broke. We are broke!!! Broke and our education system sucks and every downtown is full of unhomed folks. Meanwhile all these other 1st world countries are focused less on all things 2nd and 3rd world and are smoking us on their own domestic quality.

The "how" needs to be adjusted, but the overall push to stop spending outside of the US should be applauded by all.
 
So in my opinion the DOGE stuff is a massive overreach and needs to (and will) get the clamps put on it. That said, its still the right idea using the wrong method. If the president wants to declassify all this federal spending and make it public that's a good thing. If much of it is too embarrassing for politicians to stand behind it all needs to be voted out. We are in dept. Every president in my lifetime has talked about dept. Every president in the last 30 years has let it get worse.

Yes, we may be the #1 provider of all these aids, but we are also broke. We are broke!!! Broke and our education system sucks and every downtown is full of unhomed folks. Meanwhile all these other 1st world countries are focused less on all things 2nd and 3rd world and are smoking us on their own domestic quality.

The "how" needs to be adjusted, but the overall push to stop spending should be applauded by all.
Its also a massive conflict of interest. Musk owns companies that compete with other companies, whereas now he will have unfettered access to their employees information (SSN, address, tax info, etc). And complete information on government contracts.
 
So in my opinion the DOGE stuff is a massive overreach and needs to (and will) get the clamps put on it. That said, its still the right idea using the wrong method. If the president wants to declassify all this federal spending and make it public that's a good thing. If much of it is too embarrassing for politicians to stand behind it all needs to be voted out. We are in dept. Every president in my lifetime has talked about dept. Every president in the last 30 years has let it get worse.

Yes, we may be the #1 provider of all these aids, but we are also broke. We are broke!!! Broke and our education system sucks and every downtown is full of unhomed folks. Meanwhile all these other 1st world countries are focused less on all things 2nd and 3rd world and are smoking us on their own domestic quality.

The "how" needs to be adjusted, but the overall push to stop spending outside of the US should be applauded by all.
I agree with all of the above with one minor exception. I would not call it an overreach — I just think Musk is not the best guy to be the face of DOGE. It would be better for DOGE to complete an investigation and then send a report on findings. I like the idea of continual transparency, but Musk sending hourly tweets about potential spending issues is not the way to do it.
 
So in my opinion the DOGE stuff is a massive overreach and needs to (and will) get the clamps put on it. That said, its still the right idea using the wrong method. If the president wants to declassify all this federal spending and make it public that's a good thing. If much of it is too embarrassing for politicians to stand behind it all needs to be voted out. We are in dept. Every president in my lifetime has talked about dept. Every president in the last 30 years has let it get worse.

Yes, we may be the #1 provider of all these aids, but we are also broke. We are broke!!! Broke and our education system sucks and every downtown is full of unhomed folks. Meanwhile all these other 1st world countries are focused less on all things 2nd and 3rd world and are smoking us on their own domestic quality.

The "how" needs to be adjusted, but the overall push to stop spending outside of the US should be applauded by all.
I actually agree (as do most people, I think) that spending needs to be reigned in, big time. Our government, for a very long time, is nothing but a honey pot for people wanting to get rich(er). Where I think we disagree is who should do it, and how it's being done.
  1. Elon Musk has ZERO authority to be doing the things he's doing. He is NOT part of the govt, no matter what trump says. You can't just "create" a department of the govt. Do you know the last department that was created? The DHS after 9/11.
  2. Handing the keys over to a bunch of billionaires is a no good, terrible, horrible idea. They have no allegiance to anything other than money and power. Why would they?
  3. If there are parts of USAID that are wasteful, then put together a report and recommendations on how to cut those parts out. Don't just axe the entire program out of spite. Real people all around the world depend on this aid to live. Cutting it off completely without warning is an insane humanitarian crisis.
  4. Allowing a foreign billionaire WHO IS NOT A PART OF OUR GOVERNMENT access to financial systems is absolutely insane.
"Our education system sucks". Is the answer to that getting rid of the DOE? Privatizing schools so the wealthy get smarter and the poor get dumber?

All this talk of DOGE saving money, but no talk of what that money will be used for. Homelessness crisis? Mental health services? School lunch for kids that are otherwise starving? Infrastructure that's crumbling? Veterans affairs? Green energy so we don't have to rely on foreign countries for oil? OR....lining rich peoples pockets further? Hmmm....
 
Musk should be in a deep, dark hole somewhere (at the very least). If a brown person living in the middle east was doing what he is, there would be drones raining missiles down on them. This is something that should galvanize all Americans. But somehow maga's think it's ok because he's "one of them".

All of you that constantly crow about the constitution and how great it is are conveniently quiet when there's an actual crisis going on. I guess as long as Musk doesn't say anything about guns, it's all good.
 
I actually agree (as do most people, I think) that spending needs to be reigned in, big time. Our government, for a very long time, is nothing but a honey pot for people wanting to get rich(er). Where I think we disagree is who should do it, and how it's being done.
  1. Elon Musk has ZERO authority to be doing the things he's doing. He is NOT part of the govt, no matter what trump says. You can't just "create" a department of the govt. Do you know the last department that was created? The DHS after 9/11.
  2. Handing the keys over to a bunch of billionaires is a no good, terrible, horrible idea. They have no allegiance to anything other than money and power. Why would they?
  3. If there are parts of USAID that are wasteful, then put together a report and recommendations on how to cut those parts out. Don't just axe the entire program out of spite. Real people all around the world depend on this aid to live. Cutting it off completely without warning is an insane humanitarian crisis.
  4. Allowing a foreign billionaire WHO IS NOT A PART OF OUR GOVERNMENT access to financial systems is absolutely insane.
"Our education system sucks". Is the answer to that getting rid of the DOE? Privatizing schools so the wealthy get smarter and the poor get dumber?

All this talk of DOGE saving money, but no talk of what that money will be used for. Homelessness crisis? Mental health services? School lunch for kids that are otherwise starving? Infrastructure that's crumbling? Veterans affairs? Green energy so we don't have to rely on foreign countries for oil? OR....lining rich peoples pockets further? Hmmm....
Your point #1 is incorrect. Understand., that you don’t like it, but he is a government employee.
If you don’t like it then I assume you didn’t like it when Biden hired people like this (ie Anita Dunn and others).
 
agreed...however, he pretty much financed/won the election for tRump, so...

Yeah. That can't be put back in the box.

If you don't want the guy who spent hundreds of millions to get Trump elected to have unfettered access to government you should have thought of that before you elected him.

FAFO
 
  1. If there are parts of USAID that are wasteful, then put together a report and recommendations on how to cut those parts out. Don't just axe the entire program out of spite. Real people all around the world depend on this aid to live. Cutting it off completely without warning is an insane humanitarian crisis
...and pushes countries closer to China for their belt and road inititiative. We just freaked out on Panama for being associated with this program and have been trying to push countries away from it for years. This is going to force them to go that direction for funds and support.
 
You just don’t get it, do ya?! Canada and Mexico understand that a tariff war hurts both countries involved, that people will lose jobs, so they try to do what’s better for their people! They further realize they are dealing with a narcissistic 4th grader so they offer a deal (most of which they were already doing), give him a participation medal and try to figure out future plans cuz this 4th grader will never advance to the 5th grade!
But continue to act like tRump is doing great and cares for anyone other than his rich “friends”…magas gonna maga
And the Canadian dollar dropped to a 22 year low on the news of it and all the taking booze off the shelf talk gets a little perspective when every Canadian with a dollar got poorer on one crazy dude's latest move….let's interject a little reality here. The Premiere of Nova Scotia was on the news talking about how his people wouldn't take this and were pulling booze off the shelf. All 1M of them. If the Mayor of Ft Worth threatened a nation close to scale as the US we would all point and laugh. So we should point and laugh except the mayor of Fort Worth is more important. Canada who is worse off in pretty much every way under and recently ousted Trudeau...and Mexico who is globally known for being ran by cartels didn't acquiesce to anything out of compassion for the citizenry of both nations.

There will be no trade war with Mexico and Canada because they cannot last in one for any amount of time. Our exports to those countries as a percent of GDP is nothing.....their imports to us break their economy in months. I believe the US should be using tariffs much more than we are. We are the biggest market in the world and we have used that mechanism far too little. Fire is a great way to clean up your pastures too but it can burn your house down if you just throw gas all over everything. Trump throwing around outlandish numbers that change by the hour isn't fastidious use of an economic lever to say the least. What I hope he is doing is using this as a negotiating ploy......work for us as much as with us or we will make life harder. Fire a few warning shots and let them know we aren't going to get the expensive end of the deal from now on. I'm hoping for method to the madness which appears to be overwhelmingly madness thus far......but you know what they say wish in one hand and shit in the other.......

China is an all together different beast.
 
So in my opinion the DOGE stuff is a massive overreach and needs to (and will) get the clamps put on it. That said, its still the right idea using the wrong method. If the president wants to declassify all this federal spending and make it public that's a good thing. If much of it is too embarrassing for politicians to stand behind it all needs to be voted out. We are in dept. Every president in my lifetime has talked about dept. Every president in the last 30 years has let it get worse.

Yes, we may be the #1 provider of all these aids, but we are also broke. We are broke!!! Broke and our education system sucks and every downtown is full of unhomed folks. Meanwhile all these other 1st world countries are focused less on all things 2nd and 3rd world and are smoking us on their own domestic quality.

The "how" needs to be adjusted, but the overall push to stop spending outside of the US should be applauded by all.
I don't disagree much except I'm not confident that the DOGE overreach will get the clamps put on it. I'm pretty confident it won't.

Secondly, if the US eliminates ALL foreign aid, China is going to continue exerting "soft power" in the form of such aid and that will not be good for US interests. We aren't giving aid to these 2nd and 3rd world countries out of the goodness of our heart. In many situations, it's because they have needed natural resources.
 
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