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[Vakarian74]

A lot of MAGA's don't like Rogan, they should probably listen to him sometime.


I have a question. Did Bin Laden receive due process? I mean did we convict him of crimes before we assassinated him?

Most MAGAs love him. He’s been one of the biggest lie spreaders.

 

[Rob B.]

You are comparing an overseas military operation to justice in the US court system? Bin Laden died in a US military operation approved by the president and congress with the AUMF. There is no requirement for due process in overseas combat against an enemy combatant. if there was combat would be completely ineffective.

I wasn't comparing them, and I don't think he deserved due process. I was just genuinely curious if the US found him guilty in a court of law. I did a search and found this article, which I found interesting.

Should Osama Bin Laden have been caught and tried?

Professor Jon Silverman of the University of Bedfordshire asks what a trial for Bin Laden would have looked like.

www.bbc.com

 

[Big Huck]

I understand that, but he should still face the immigration consequences of his violent crime.

A pardon doesn’t change his immigration status or the fact that he committed the crimes that could lead to his deportation.

I guess there's what the law says you can do and what's the right thing to do. In this instance I don't believe deporting him is the right thing to do.

I live in Little Cambodia in LB btw. These folks can COOK.

 

[CowboyJD]

I guess there's what the law says you can do and what's the right thing to do. In this instance I don't believe deporting him is the right thing to do.

I live in Little Cambodia in LB btw. These folks can COOK.

That’s certainly a policy decision that anyone is entitled to have an opinion on that someone else can disagree with.

 

[steross]

That’s certainly a policy decision that anyone is entitled to have an opinion on that someone else can disagree with.

Yes, my personal opinion is that it is unfortunate that a guy like this is getting deported. From a policy standpoint, I understand it. It would be very hard to create a reasonable policy that a person who commits a serious crime gets to stay if he has rehabbed enough.

 

[HacklemanPoke]

That’s certainly a policy decision that anyone is entitled to have an opinion on that someone else can disagree with.

And to me this is the crux of bringing back Garcia. I 100% think he should be returned along with anyone else who was in a protected/adjudicated status (this includes anyone who was awaiting an asylum court date and was not under pending charges for other matters). I also don’t have a problem with any of the 238 facing consequences for any crimes they committed in accordance with US law and sentencing guidelines (not a life sentence in a gulag in El Salvador). I think we opened a Pandora’s box w the Alien Enemies Act.

In Garcia’s case return him. Investigate the allegations, charge him if necessary and if found guilty subject him to the appropriate penalties.

 

[CowboyJD]

And to me this is the crux of bringing back Garcia. I 100% think he should be returned along with anyone else who was in a protected/adjudicated status (this includes anyone who was awaiting an asylum court date and was not under pending charges for other matters). I also don’t have a problem with any of the 238 facing consequences for any crimes they committed in accordance with US law and sentencing guidelines (not a life sentence in a gulag in El Salvador). I think we opened a Pandora’s box w the Alien Enemies Act.

In Garcia’s case return him. Investigate the allegations, charge him if necessary and if found guilty subject him to the appropriate penalties.

I would go a little further than you with Garcia.

Protected/adjudicated status is subject to change as well. In Garcia’s case, if his actions since his adjudication have changed his status, I’m okay with deporting him after he has a fair and impartial hearing on the issue.

I imagine my policy position on deportations in general is more conservative than many here.

Any felony conviction….violent or non-violent…and certain enumerated misdemeanors like domestic violence or drunk driving…should make an undocumented, unapproved foreign national subject to mandatory deportation. Not to be held in an El Salvadoran gulag indefinitely though. Deportation is a civil matter, not a criminal one with a life sentence.

Some might consider that a very odd position to have for a raging partisan liberal like a few here have called me. *shoulder shrug*

 

[oks10]

How does one even ATTEMPT to hold a conversation with someone that's bought in to MAGA so hard that they've convinced themselves that the US constitution ONLY applies to citizens? Like ALL of it... Honestly asking because this person is someone I previously held a lot respect for growing up but this is ridiculous...

 

[Polds4OSU]

How does one even ATTEMPT to hold a conversation with someone that's bought in to MAGA so hard that they've convinced themselves that the US constitution ONLY applies to citizens? Like ALL of it... Honestly asking because this person is someone I previously held a lot respect for growing up but this is ridiculous...

8 of the 39 original people who signed the Constitution of the United States...were foreign born immigrants who had become US citizens