Regional Round

Poke said:
We know Josh loves Oklahoma State and of course he wants to be competing for national championships in Omaha. It’s not like he is intentionally losing in Regionals every year. I think the more concerning thing is that there seems to be no adjustments made to change the results. Am I around the program? No, but like many of us on here that watch most games and spend our free time cheering on the team, I am dejected because it seems that he doesn’t have the answers. I don’t see the year to year improvement from the players, if anything we see regression in many cases. I hope I am wrong and next season he ends our streak of regional exits but he is going to have to show me at this point.

Congrats to the team on battling to get in to the tourney and gutsy performance to beat the douchedogs, but Regional appearances cannot be the bar for Oklahoma State Baseball. I want Josh to be successful and retire here, he’s a cowboy through and through, but no one is bigger than the program.
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This is where I'm at also. It's clear that Josh loves OSU baseball and has tremendous passion for the school and the program. He's obviously very emotionally invested and wants it to be great. But like you said, the results just don't seem to match his desire for the program to be elite and it seems he's stubborn to a fault as the same problems appear year after year. Maybe a change in the pitching coach will spark some different results, but hard to think it will. The other assistant has been a revolving door of quality, respected baseball coaches (Marty Lees, James Vilade, Lees again, Justin Seely, Ginther) with very little change offensively. Josh's first few teams seemed to be the scrappiest and mentally toughest of his 13 teams at OSU which is also concerning. Those first couple teamss were really fun to watch. The last 10 or so have been carbon copies offensively.
 
pokesinomaha said:
This is where I'm at also. It's clear that Josh loves OSU baseball and has tremendous passion for the school and the program. He's obviously very emotionally invested and wants it to be great. But like you said, the results just don't seem to match his desire for the program to be elite and it seems he's stubborn to a fault as the same problems appear year after year. Maybe a change in the pitching coach will spark some different results, but hard to think it will. The other assistant has been a revolving door of quality, respected baseball coaches (Marty Lees, James Vilade, Lees again, Justin Seely, Ginther) with very little change offensively. Josh's first few teams seemed to be the scrappiest and mentally toughest of his 13 teams at OSU which is also concerning. Those first couple teamss were really fun to watch. The last 10 or so have been carbon copies offensively.
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If you love something set it free, if it comes back to you it’s probably got the same problems you do
 
pokesinomaha said:
This is where I'm at also. It's clear that Josh loves OSU baseball and has tremendous passion for the school and the program. He's obviously very emotionally invested and wants it to be great. But like you said, the results just don't seem to match his desire for the program to be elite and it seems he's stubborn to a fault as the same problems appear year after year. Maybe a change in the pitching coach will spark some different results, but hard to think it will. The other assistant has been a revolving door of quality, respected baseball coaches (Marty Lees, James Vilade, Lees again, Justin Seely, Ginther) with very little change offensively. Josh's first few teams seemed to be the scrappiest and mentally toughest of his 13 teams at OSU which is also concerning. Those first couple teamss were really fun to watch. The last 10 or so have been carbon copies offensively.
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Because of Josh's recruiting philosophy. He recruits athletes that play baseball instead of baseball players. How many 6'4"+ guys have we had over the years that would hit home runs but were walking strikeout machines? It's no coincidence that some of our best players in the Josh Holliday Era weren't prototypical Josh guys (Roc Riggio, Donnie Walton). They constantly get beat by baseball players yet refuse to recruit those types of kids.
 
Okstatekerr said:
Because of Josh's recruiting philosophy. He recruits athletes that play baseball instead of baseball players. How many 6'4"+ guys have we had over the years that would hit home runs but were walking strikeout machines? It's no coincidence that some of our best players in the Josh Holliday Era weren't prototypical Josh guys (Roc Riggio, Donnie Walton). They constantly get beat by baseball players yet refuse to recruit those types of kids.
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Been saying for some time Josh recruits body types, not ball players. He recruits body types then tries to find some place to play them. Doesn’t work at this level, as we have sadly seen.
 
Okstatekerr said:
Because of Josh's recruiting philosophy. He recruits athletes that play baseball instead of baseball players. How many 6'4"+ guys have we had over the years that would hit home runs but were walking strikeout machines? It's no coincidence that some of our best players in the Josh Holliday Era weren't prototypical Josh guys (Roc Riggio, Donnie Walton). They constantly get beat by baseball players yet refuse to recruit those types of kids.
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If you look at the 2025 class…a lot more benge, Ehrhard type players. A ton of speed in this class. Will they make it to campus is the question
 
One of the biggest problems the last three OSU coaches have had is following Gary Ward.

The Josh years have left me with pitching woes more than anything else. I don't care if we strike out 27 times if inbetween those we are getting hits and socring runs. Minus some spots here and there we just give up too many runs.
 
The NCAA does not care who the best 16 are. SEC schools have huge followings, loud tradition rich crowds and that brings in viewers and money. Good wholesome clean town Stillwater is not a big draw for national viewers. Getting OBrate has helped OSU but many years of piss poor weekday performances and inconsistent series make it hard to build the monster that we could be. Those SEC signs and 100s of beer cans and crazy fans make it fun over a weekend series
 
Some like Daddy Holliday and the Chief like to make the NIL excuse

(I don't see it, I don't question Josh's ability to bring in talent, and college baseball isn't too out of control yet)

But what about Oregon State? That program can't have much NIL to spend and they play in Corvallis, Oregon: but here they are with no conference but still making Supers.

It just comes down to coaching and playing good baseball with tough kids.

Honestly I have little faith that next year will be much different, regardless of what we do in the portal or coaching wise. But, I'll be there in February locked in and ready for us to get off to a slow start.
 
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