OT: General CFB Thread

[DxCowboy]

Ohio State was - $20,000,000 or so last year

Texas is said to be $35-40 next season.

I think some of the conversations around this year’s playoff and March madness tell us a lot about prevailing opinion-they think that if you just have big brands, it’s automatically a compelling event. This is as bad as saying if the Cowboys, Lakers or Yankees aren’t playing it’s not worth watching.

We heard a week of whining over the blowouts in the CFP first round, despite two of those teams being from the SEC & B1G. We heard how nobody wants to see Cinderella beyond the sweet 16, despite years and years of marginal final four games featuring higher seeds.

I fear that this climate is simply going to result in the have nots being cannon fodder New Jersey Generals-style. The nature of roster attrition that will continue to happen will have a massive cumulative effect on the non bluebloods & those that ride the coattails of said conferences.

I’m an admitted broken record on this, but you cannot have a sustainable system where teams simply buy other’s developed talent and do not have to compensate them for it.

To Jobo’s point about a strong governing body-totally agree, but I’ll believe it when I see it. We all know that the SEC, B1G & ND are going to dictate the terms of whatever that body looks like, and it’ll be to their benefit and everyone else can suck it.

As someone that grew up in a college town and was always more of a college sports fan, I’m finding it harder and harder to look at it as real competition. Pro sports has a lot more parity across the board and the more and more college tilts the advantages, the less I like it.

 

[HacklemanPoke]

I’m sure the college model will look a lot like the NFL. Not sure Alabama, Georgia or Ohio State are worried about money wars.

I get your sentiment, but I think when we start talking north of $20,000,000 annually and maybe that number is more $30,000,000 I think some schools that we think should be financially capable will not be. Alabama might be one of those schools.

Saban left and their AD has been vocal about getting control of NIL and every ticket holder and/or fan needing to contribute.

Another thing that makes this unsustainable IMO is we are currently just talking about paying the players. A coach w a 13-12 P4 record just got >$10,000,000/yr.

And where will the $ for stadiums/facilities come from?

 

[DxCowboy]

I get your sentiment, but I think when we start talking north of $20,000,000 annually and maybe that number is more $30,000,000 I think some schools that we think should be financially capable will not be. Alabama might be one of those schools.

Saban left and their AD has been vocal about getting control of NIL and every ticket holder and/or fan needing to contribute.

Another thing that makes this unsustainable IMO is we are currently just talking about paying the players. A coach w a 13-12 P4 record just got >$10,000,000/yr.

And where will the $ for stadiums/facilities come from?

You’re probably also going to have more stories like the Tenn QB. Donor fatigue is a real possibility imo.

 

[jobob85]

I get your sentiment, but I think when we start talking north of $20,000,000 annually and maybe that number is more $30,000,000 I think some schools that we think should be financially capable will not be. Alabama might be one of those schools.

Saban left and their AD has been vocal about getting control of NIL and every ticket holder and/or fan needing to contribute.

Another thing that makes this unsustainable IMO is we are currently just talking about paying the players. A coach w a 13-12 P4 record just got >$10,000,000/yr.

And where will the $ for stadiums/facilities come from?

If Alabama can't compete others like Michigan and Oregon have billionaire donors that can keep the school in stupid money. I just don't see how Texas or the TAggies are going to lap everyone with money. If Phil Knight gave .1% every year to Oregon it would be around $30 mil. None of this is sustainable and may ruin the product before someone with common sense gets involved.

 

[cowboyinexile]

I’m sure the college model will look a lot like the NFL. Not sure Alabama, Georgia or Ohio State are worried about money wars.

Some of them should be. I'm sure Ohio State with their insane alumni base will be fine but when you think financial and banking hub, Tuscaloosa doesn't come to mind. When it was $100 handshakes they could bag man with the best of them but when Texas has a roster that costs the GDP of a 3rd world country they are eventually going to find out too many other teams have deeper pockets.

 

[HacklemanPoke]

Some of them should be. I'm sure Ohio State with their insane alumni base will be fine but when you think financial and banking hub, Tuscaloosa doesn't come to mind. When it was $100 handshakes they could bag man with the best of them but when Texas has a roster that costs the GDP of a 3rd world country they are eventually going to find out too many other teams have deeper pockets.

There’s a reason why pro sports teams are where they are. Some of it is legacy/historical and some of it is market. There’s a reason why we don’t have pro sports in Alabama, MS and other “poor” states. OKC doesn’t land high profile free agents and probably won’t bc the market isn’t big enough. This rule will begin to apply to college athletics as well once the product matures.

 

[CptnQuirk]

If Alabama can't compete others like Michigan and Oregon have billionaire donors that can keep the school in stupid money. I just don't see how Texas or the TAggies are going to lap everyone with money. If Phil Knight gave .1% every year to Oregon it would be around $30 mil. None of this is sustainable and may ruin the product before someone with common sense gets involved.

I’m beginning to think that common sense left the earth a few years ago.

 

[ashpkt]

At the current trajectory, all you need to do is look at the Premier League to see where this is headed. In 126 yrs of the Premier League, the top two teams have combined for 32% of titles; top 3 teams 42%; and top 4 teams 50%. Those teams are historically the big spenders, so it's proven money will buy you consistent higher performance and much greater chance of championships. The majority fight to stave off relegation, or in college football terms: irrelevancy.

Historically CFB has a short list of champions and bluebloods. Without change we're headed toward and even shorter list and some of the historical 'haves' are going to find out their a new age 'have not'. I suspect OU, FSU, Clemson and more will fall in the latter category.

 

[Pistol Pete's Mustache]

One of the best idea's of read is to require buyouts when higher level programs poach from lower level programs. So if an FCS player transfers to an FBS G5 school, the FBS G5 school pays like $50K to the FCS school. If an FBS G5 or FCS player moves to P4 then it's $100K. And as much as I hate it there isn't any valid basis to pretend that the ACC and B12 are the same as SEC and BIG so if an ACC/XII player moves to SEC/BIG, it's $200K. And before any blueblood cries that it's charity or socialism its more about what the lower level school put in to develop the player which is extensive. If Tulsa takes a two star player out of high school and by his junior year he's good enough to start for Alabama, the school should be compensated for what it invested in the player. I don't think there's a good faith argument that the player should have to stay at Tulsa, and Tulsa should be happy to see their guy move up and succeed, but there has to be come recognition of their investment.

 

[DxCowboy]

One of the best idea's of read is to require buyouts when higher level programs poach from lower level programs. So if an FCS player transfers to an FBS G5 school, the FBS G5 school pays like $50K to the FCS school. If an FBS G5 or FCS player moves to P4 then it's $100K. And as much as I hate it there isn't any valid basis to pretend that the ACC and B12 are the same as SEC and BIG so if an ACC/XII player moves to SEC/BIG, it's $200K. And before any blueblood cries that it's charity or socialism its more about what the lower level school put in to develop the player which is extensive. If Tulsa takes a two star player out of high school and by his junior year he's good enough to start for Alabama, the school should be compensated for what it invested in the player. I don't think there's a good faith argument that the player should have to stay at Tulsa, and Tulsa should be happy to see their guy move up and succeed, but there has to be come recognition of their investment.

Preach it!

 

[ashpkt]

One of the best idea's of read is to require buyouts when higher level programs poach from lower level programs. So if an FCS player transfers to an FBS G5 school, the FBS G5 school pays like $50K to the FCS school. If an FBS G5 or FCS player moves to P4 then it's $100K. And as much as I hate it there isn't any valid basis to pretend that the ACC and B12 are the same as SEC and BIG so if an ACC/XII player moves to SEC/BIG, it's $200K. And before any blueblood cries that it's charity or socialism its more about what the lower level school put in to develop the player which is extensive. If Tulsa takes a two star player out of high school and by his junior year he's good enough to start for Alabama, the school should be compensated for what it invested in the player. I don't think there's a good faith argument that the player should have to stay at Tulsa, and Tulsa should be happy to see their guy move up and succeed, but there has to be come recognition of their investment.

Why does it have to be a lower school. Just lock ‘em all in with contracts and buyouts applicable wherever they go

 

[Verbal]

Why does it have to be a lower school. Just lock ‘em all in with contracts and buyouts applicable wherever they go

Same as coaches. Seems far to me.

 

[orangecrush]

If these kids want to be paid like professionals, they should be bound to contracts like professionals.

Welcome to the real world kids.

 

[CptnQuirk]

If these kids want to be paid like professionals, they should be bound to contracts like professionals.

Welcome to the real world kids.

And I hope they understand the tax implications.

 

[Cowboyshoopspride]

Heard Cody Campbell on Sirius today. I think he could be extremely beneficial to institutions like us in terms of what CFB looks like going forward.

 

[DxCowboy]

Heard Cody Campbell on Sirius today. I think he could be extremely beneficial to institutions like us in terms of what CFB looks like going forward.

Who is he and what did he say?

 

[Cowboyshoopspride]

Who is he and what did he say?

He’s the TTU billionaire. He could be a huge part of the overarching governing body/system of CFB going forward.

He specifically talked about the commissioners of the Power 2 only advocating for themselves with zero regard for what they’re doing to everyone else. He addressed the fact that in those power 2, there’s a handful of legit players and the rest are just benefactors of their system with no real financial reasons to be there. Talked about how the current path will make schools like WVU irrelevant because they won’t be able to compete financially and that will hurt Morgantown and it needs to be stopped.

I only caught about that many soundbites but having an outsider involved that has no affinity for the SEC/BIG can’t be bad right now.

 

[DxCowboy]

He’s the TTU billionaire. He could be a huge part of the overarching governing body/system of CFB going forward.

He specifically talked about the commissioners of the Power 2 only advocating for themselves with zero regard for what they’re doing to everyone else. He addressed the fact that in those power 2, there’s a handful of legit players and the rest are just benefactors of their system with no real financial reasons to be there. Talked about how the current path will make schools like WVU irrelevant because they won’t be able to compete financially and that will hurt Morgantown and it needs to be stopped.

I only caught about that many soundbites but having an outsider involved that has no affinity for the SEC/BIG can’t be bad right now.

I like this guy!

 

[DxCowboy]

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/article/bill-belichick-girlfriend-jordon-hudson-115538444.html

This is not going to end well in Chapel Hill.

 

[cowboyinexile]

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/article/bill-belichick-girlfriend-jordon-hudson-115538444.html

This is not going to end well in Chapel Hill.