I mean we both want the same thing, which is for the most qualified candidate to get the job every time. This country is full of unqualified white dudes in positions of power and conservative media could care less. Why is it a mortal sin then for an unqualified brown person or a woman to be in a position of power?
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Probably because alot of people in conservative media are unqualified white dudes and they see bucking the status quo as their ticket back to a minimum wage job they are fighting so hard to keep other people in.
Glad you agree the getting the most qualified candidate for the job every time is important. Hope we agree that character of the person, work experience, ability to do job, and education are key. And that race and sex of the individual should never be considered (for or against) for a new hire, promotion, etc.
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Every bit of that is accurate, but extremely hard to do when people want to be around others like themselves, unless you intentionally try to avoid the second order effects of race and gender.
Hiring boards get filled by senior people (historically white guys) that want others with similar backgrounds. People in positions of authority tend to think their path to the position is the correct one, so they will look poorly at others with different paths (specific job history, college preferences etc) - creating a resume wall. They want to be around others with similar social positions and views creating an interview wall. These are issues fully unrelated to the ability of the perspective hire being able to do the job.
DEI from what I've seen isn't about hiring unqualified people. It's about trying to look at a more diverse pool of people and remove those barriers that aren't capability related.
Removing barriers is good. I agree. As I said, I am sure the original DEI idea was noble. But the practice in many organizations elevates some and limits others. Not due to their ability but simply due to race and sex.
Some Fortune 500 companies financially rewarded executives for more “diverse” hiring. A noble thought. But in practice, in some cases, that resulted in pushing some candidates and slowing opportunities of others.
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Elon Musk And More Right-Wing Critics Blame Diversity, Equity And Inclusion For LA Wildfires—With Little Evidence
Musk said in a social media post “DEI means people DIE” without elaborating on how diversity commitments would impede the Los Angeles Fire Department’s ability to fight fires.
www.forbes.com
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mugatu
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Thing is, because people want to hire other like themselves, you have to incentivize the initial diversification. It's not about hiring people that can't do the job, it's a conscious effort to intelligently chose diversity at some rate when you have equal candidates. Different backgrounds breeds different thought processes which improves quality of work. If you all think the same then you'll always get the same output and have the same stumbling blocks and problems.
If you have two equal candidates and you hire someone over someone else based solely on the color of their skin…..that is racism.
Yes, sometimes it is hard to select between some candidates even after several panel interviews. Race should never play a part in the discussion/decision. Anyone that would hire or promote someone based on race/sex should not be in a leadership position.
As I stated in my original post. I do believe the thought of DEI is a good one. However, there is no doubt the practice quickly integrated itself, in some (not all) organizations, into hiring/promotion and some people started to justify that “chose diversity at some rate when you have equal candidates” was a good thing. Especially when they were personally financially rewarded for doing so.
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So you think that entire companies should all look alike... got it.
Racism/sexism is refusing to hire anyone of a certain skin color/gender or only hire them for menial tasks. Making a conscious effort to not have carbon copies of the same person across the company brings diversity of thought. It's not like they are refusing to hire white guys. Same thing goes the other way. If the company is dominated by black/Indian/other minority they should want to hire non minority more to make the company more diverse.
I want to clarify something here. I don’t love DEI and I think it is a fine line to walk in implementation, but the concept works if done correctly.
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This is the issue. If you erased DEI completely, the idea that the people doing the hiring in this nation always pick because they know which candidate is best for the job is unrealistic. Sure, it is easier when one candidate has qualifications far beyond the others. Even then, sometimes that person with more qualifications has a malignant personality that is a cancer that harms far more than the qualifications help. But, more commonly, there are several similarly qualified people and human nature then is to choose who you like. We also like people more like ourselves.
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Hiring anyone except the most qualified for the position based on diversity for diversity's sake is the absolute dumbest thing the left has dreamed up. And you're right, it is the very definition of racism. It's all fun and games until the fires start and there's no water in the hydrant. But hey, the firefighters were diverse. They weren't equipped to fight the fire but they were diverse. YAY!!!
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Half of our country: These fires in California are horrific, I wonder how I can help those affected.
Other half: The people of California deserve this because they believe differently than me. Let's figure out who to blame to make us look better.
Other half: The people of California deserve this because they believe differently than me. Let's figure out who to blame to make us look better.
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Faults on power grid skyrocketed in hours before L.A. firestorm began
The number of faults on the power grid near three of the major Los Angeles County fires skyrocketed in the hours before the blazes began, according to a company that monitors electrical activity.
Faults on the power grid spiked just before the LA fires started.
How did this thread get here? It's just weird.
Well it started getting weird somewhere around when Republicans blamed fire on brown people and women.
Myself personally had never seen an uncontrolled fire until brown people started existing.
Too much climate change generated from brown people's jalapeños and women's hot flashes.
California brought this upon ourselves.
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