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Israel has now closed the open border routes they informed the Palestinians of as ways to evacuate

Israel has activated 300,000 reserves....expect ground operation to get underway soon....I bet they go door to door and search it all

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Polds4OSU said:
I love that we American's think so highly of ourselves and our influence we want to point the blame at the right or left and someone make Middle East issues dating back 2000 years ....current American politics. It is insanely laughable.

We didn't exist when this started, the US will most likely not exist when Israel and Palestine figure it out and learn to live in peace. I mean should we call the Pope a terrorist for the Crusades?

I mean..which American Left or Right Policies are responsible for these? It is ignorant to blame any of this crap on US Politicians, US Policy etc etc etc ec

I mean sweet baby Jesus...the Israeli Govt categorizes these attacks in 20 year blocks dating back to the 1940's


While the Palestinians claim that terrorism is a response to "occupation," the fact is that Palestinian terrorism predates Israel's presence in the territories. Numerous terrorist attacks murdered and maimed Israeli civilians during the two decades before 1967 (and even before the
establishment of the State of Israel in 1948). Therefore,
terrorism was and still is nothing less than a tool intended
to eventually bring about the destruction of Israel itself.

Jan 1, 1952 - Jerusalem
7 armed terrorists attacked and killed a 19 year-old girl in her home, in the neighborhood of Beit Yisrael.
June 9, 1953 - Lod and Hadera
Terrorists killed a resident of Lod, after throwing hand grenades and spraying gunfire in all directions. On the same night, another group of terrorists attacked a house in Hadera.
Jun 11, 1953 - Kfar Hess
Terrorists attacked a young couple in their home and shot them to death.
Mar 17, 1954 - Maale Akrabim
Terrorists ambushed a bus traveling from Eilat to Tel Aviv, opening fire at short range. The terrorists boarded the bus, and shot each passenger, one by one, murdering 11.
Jan 2, 1955 - Judean Desert
2 hikers killed by terrorists.
Mar 24, 1955 - Patish
1 young woman killed and 18 wounded when terrorists threw hand grenades and opened fire on a crowded wedding celebration.
Apr 7, 1956 - Ashkelon
1 young woman killed when terrorists threw 3 hand grenades into her house.
Apr 7, 1956 - Kibbutz Givat Chaim
2 killed when terrorists opened fire on a car.
Apr 11, 1956 - Shafrir (Kfar Chabad)
3 children and 1 youth worker killed, and 5 injured, when terrorists opened fire on a synagogue full of children and teenagers.
Sep 12, 1956 - Ein Ofarim
Terrorists killed 3 Druze guards.
Sep 23, 1956 - Kibbutz Ramat Rachel
4 archaeologists killed and 16 wounded when terrorists opened fire from a Jordanian position.
Oct 4, 1956 - Sdom
5 Israeli workers killed.
Oct 9, 1956 - Neve Hadasah
2 workers were killed in an orchard of the youth village.
Nov 8, 1956 - Terrorists opened fire on a train, attacked cars and blew up wells, in the north and center of Israel. 6 Israelis were wounded.
Feb 18, 1957 - Nir Yitzhak
2 civilians killed by terrorist landmines.
Apr 16, 1957 - Kibbutz Mesilot
2 guards killed by terrorists who infiltrated from Jordan.
May 29, 1957 - Kibbutz Kisufim
1 killed and 2 wounded when their vehicle struck a landmine.
Aug 23, 1957 - Kibbutz Beit Govrin
2 guards of the Israeli Mekorot water company killed.
Feb 11, 1958 - Kfar Yona
Terrorists killed a resident of Moshav Yanov.
Apr 5, 1958 - Tel Lachish
Terrorists lying in ambush shot and killed 2 people.
May 26, 1958 - Jerusalem
4 Israeli police officers killed in a Jordanian attack on Mt. Scopus.
Nov 17, 1958 - Mt. of the Beatitudes | Syrian terrorists killed the wife of the British air attache in Israel, who was staying at the guesthouse of the Italian Convent.
Dec 3, 1958- Kibbutz Gonen
A shepherd killed and 31 civilians wounded in an artillery attack.
Feb 1, 1959 - Moshav Zavdiel
3 civilians killed by a terrorist landmine.
Apr 27, 1959 - Masada
2 hikers shot and killed at close range.
Apr 26, 1960 - Ashkelon
Terrorists killed a resident of the city.
Jan 1, 1965 - Palestinian terrorists attempted to bomb the National Water Carrier - the first attack carried out by the PLO's Fatah faction.
July 5, 1965 - Mitzpe Massua
A Fatah cell planted explosives near Beit Guvrin, and on the railroad tracks to Jerusalem near Kfar Battir.
May 16, 1966 - Northern Galilee region | 2 Israelis killed when their jeep hit a terrorist landmine. Tracks led into Syria.
Jul 13, 1966 - Almagor
2 soldiers and 1 civilian killed when their truck struck a terrorist landmine.
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This is in no way germane to what I said...

I said in the last 48 hours the Anti-Semitism that has shown it's ugly face coming straight out of left wing institutions is much more worrisome than Anti-Semitism being spread on Twitter. BTW I can assure you the previous ownership of Twitter was infinitely more cozy w/ Hamas than Elon is.
 
Donnyboy said:
Is this when Iran jumps in?
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Not right now......Egypt and Jordan tried to sell Hamas out to Israel upfront BEFORE the attack. Iran doesn't have enough support right now to do that . it will take a FULLY aligned and unwavering group of ALL the Muslim ME countries to even attempt to take on Israel. It is the 3rd most advanced army on the Planet behind US and China.

US and Israel still have some strong ties to ME countries right now and they will leverage those ties to get Iran under wraps and calm them down. HOWEVER, if Israel goes in and goes door to door and drags Palestinians into the street and executes them on video and continues to do that for a week or so.....then those actions would solidify the ME against Israel VERY quickly. So it is a VERY touchy and explosive situation right now. However, I think cooler heads will prevail and I think Israel will clean house discreetly and not on camera .
 
PokitN said:
This is in no way germane to what I said...

I said in the last 48 hours the Anti-Semitism that has shown it's ugly face coming straight out of left wing institutions is much more worrisome than Anti-Semitism being spread on Twitter. BTW I can assure you the previous ownership of Twitter was infinitely more cozy w/ Hamas than Elon is.
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just the left wing...is that the only one with all the ugly and antisemitism ? How disingenuous of you to only blame the Left. You and AOC have alot more in common than you think.





Extremists Celebrate the Attack on Israel​

Some white supremacists are celebrating Hamas’s attack on Israel. Chairman of the antisemitic National Justice Party (NJP) Mike Penovich posted on Telegram, “Hats off to the Palestinians for taking bold and courageous action in their own cause and showing us that the Zionist regime is not invincible.” He called out right-wing nationalists who are not actively celebrating the attack, demanding, “Who’s paying you? Who are you afraid of? Is the Overton window shifting enough for you yet?”
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Nathan Damigo, the founder of the now defunct which supremacist group Identity Evropa, wrote on his Telegram channel, “From the river to the sea Palestine will be free!” and “Hamas really took #BantheADL to the next level.” Meanwhile, a leader of the white supremacist New Jersey European Heritage Association complained that the attack will result in “a new batch of migrants coming to America. Privileged supremacist Jews fleeing chaos they provoked like the cowardly rats they are. They will immediately jump to the head of the line.”
Jon Minadeo, the leader of the antisemitic Goyim Defense League (GDL), posted on Gab “PALESTINIANS ARE KILLING THE SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN. God bless these brave men of Palestine.” While GDL supporters in the network’s telegram channel noted their happiness with posts such as, “Woke up to kikes in Israel getting their comeuppance. Life is good.” and “What a wonderful Shabbot [sic] today goys!”
Communications channels associated with the Islamic State (IS) are likewise seeing calls for violence against Israel and its supporters. Although IS views Hamas as theologically illegitimate, IS writers have expressed joy at seeing the Hamas attacks on Israel. One IS supporter posted on Telegram: “The Operation in Palestine today is just another” of Allah’s wonders. Other narratives from jihadist spaces characterize Hamas terrorists as martyrs, hope for additional casualties and see the conflict as a sign of end times to come.

Antisemitism Spikes on Social Media​

In the wake of the attack on Israel, antisemitic rhetoric spiked across social media platforms, particularly on extremist favorites 4chan and Telegram. This includes a rise in the use of phrases that call for violence against Jews, Israelis and Zionists.
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The ADL Center on Extremism continuously monitors violent language and threats against the Jewish community/Israel in extremist spaces. While there is always an undercurrent of this hateful rhetoric, in the 18 hours since this conflict began, this type of rhetoric has spiked significantly.
Our data show extremists appear to be emboldened by the Hamas attack, and have increased their violent rhetoric, posting hate filled messages and calls for further aggression against Israel and its supporters. On October 6, 2023, the day before the attack, there were 59 Telegram messages from extremists threats and calls for violence against Jews, Israelis and Zionists. However, in the first 18 hours of October 7, 2023, this number surged to 347 Telegram messages, marking an alarming increase of approximately 488 percent.
There are also posts in which antisemites and white supremacists discuss hopes of similar future violence against Jews in America, using antisemitic slurs and white supremacist terms including “day of the rope” to refer to the attacks against Israel.
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Antisemitic & Anti-Israel Conspiracy Theories Surface Online​

By mid-day on October 7, 2023, a range of antisemitic and anti-Israel conspiracy theories were circulating.
Some claimed that Hamas is controlled opposition directed by Israel. “Shadow of Ezra,” a large QAnon related Telegram channel, posited that the attack is a false flag attack orchestrated by Mossad designed to give Israel the opportunity to grab more land and create “Greater Israel,” reflecting a classic antisemitic conspiracy theory.
Others believe that such a surprise attack by Hamas is unlikely or even impossible, citing Israel’s extensive intelligence networks, and claiming that Israel knew about the attack ahead of time but chose not to act preemptively to justify the "ethnic cleansing" of Palestinians. White supremacist Nick Fuentes pushed this narrative on Telegram, writing that Israel’s intelligence failure “is a little suspicious in light of how the Likud government will benefit politically from this crisis both domestically and internationally.”
On X, a popular antisemitic influencer who goes by Lucas Gage posted several antisemitic and anti-Zionist conspiratorial claims. In one post, he alleged that Israel does not deserve sympathy because it helped coordinate the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, a common antisemitic conspiracy theory. In another post, Gage blamed "our Zionist Occupied Govt," an antisemitic reference to the U.S. government.
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Antisemitic conspiracy theorist David Icke also discussed the attack on X, alleging that Netanyahu and Hamas are "owned by the Global Cult" and that the attacks are another step towards World War 3.
 
PF5 said:
I didn't realize antisemitism was only a left wing thing...thanks pokitn for your enlightening us...
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it is LITERALLY the only thing that extremist in both the Left and Right have in common.

For some reason they both only agree on hating Jews. For the life of me I don't understand it at all.
 
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Polds4OSU said:
Not right now......Egypt and Jordan tried to sell Hamas out to Israel upfront BEFORE the attack. Iran doesn't have enough support right now to do that . it will take a FULLY aligned and unwavering group of ALL the Muslim ME countries to even attempt to take on Israel. It is the 3rd most advanced army on the Planet behind US and China.

US and Israel still have some strong ties to ME countries right now and they will leverage those ties to get Iran under wraps and calm them down. HOWEVER, if Israel goes in and goes door to door and drags Palestinians into the street and executes them on video and continues to do that for a week or so.....then those actions would solidify the ME against Israel VERY quickly. So it is a VERY touchy and explosive situation right now. However, I think cooler heads will prevail and I think Israel will clean house discreetly and not on camera .
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I hope you're right.....they are already involved in it by proxy....and I don't think reason enters into a lot of their decisions. It will be hard to keep the zealots happy when your motto is death to Israel and you don't help when boots are on the ground?
 
Donnyboy said:
I hope you're right.....they are already involved in it by proxy....and I don't think reason enters into a lot of their decisions. It will be hard to keep the zealots happy when your motto is death to Israel and you don't help when boots are on the ground?
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without UAE or Saudi's I don't think Iran moves. And the UAE and Saudi's are making WAY too much money off fat and happy American's and that would be replaced by Death, Missiles and Destruction if they are dealing with pissed off American's. I don't think UAE, Saudi's or Jordan for that matter want to do anything to mess up the money status quo with the US right now or the West for that matter. They are living the good life right now and I don't think they will let Iran destroy that


In Fact I would almost bet that Russia either Paid or made some arrangement with Iran for Iran to make it happen and I bet it was a MASSIVE payout for Iran from Russia too. Iran knew they would take severe heat for it, but I bet they asked for the World in return. I bet Russia convinced Iran to support and carry this out via Hamas as a way of splitting US Military aide between Israel and Ukraine, because I think Russia is at a breaking point and they are getting desperate to keep the war in Ukraine going and are willing to do almost anything to move the needle without the Entire UN attacking them.

My biggest fear is that Russia traded some of their Nuclear Secrets if not a full fledge weapons to Iran to conduct this atrocity against Israel via Hamas ....remember it was just 2-4 weeks ago that Russia started moving all those Nukes around the country. I'm betting that may have been when a deal with Iran was carried out and payment of 1 nuke went to Iran

All speculation by me, but looking at all the influences and pressure points on a Global scale and the players involved, that would seem like the most logical explanation behind the attack.
 
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Polds4OSU said:
I love that we American's think so highly of ourselves and our influence we want to point the blame at the right or left and someone make Middle East issues dating back 2000 years ....current American politics. It is insanely laughable.

We didn't exist when this started, the US will most likely not exist when Israel and Palestine figure it out and learn to live in peace. I mean should we call the Pope a terrorist for the Crusades?

I mean..which American Left or Right Policies are responsible for these? It is ignorant to blame any of this crap on US Politicians, US Policy etc etc etc ec

I mean sweet baby Jesus...the Israeli Govt categorizes these attacks in 20 year blocks dating back to the 1940's


While the Palestinians claim that terrorism is a response to "occupation," the fact is that Palestinian terrorism predates Israel's presence in the territories. Numerous terrorist attacks murdered and maimed Israeli civilians during the two decades before 1967 (and even before the
establishment of the State of Israel in 1948). Therefore,
terrorism was and still is nothing less than a tool intended
to eventually bring about the destruction of Israel itself.

Jan 1, 1952 - Jerusalem
7 armed terrorists attacked and killed a 19 year-old girl in her home, in the neighborhood of Beit Yisrael.
June 9, 1953 - Lod and Hadera
Terrorists killed a resident of Lod, after throwing hand grenades and spraying gunfire in all directions. On the same night, another group of terrorists attacked a house in Hadera.
Jun 11, 1953 - Kfar Hess
Terrorists attacked a young couple in their home and shot them to death.
Mar 17, 1954 - Maale Akrabim
Terrorists ambushed a bus traveling from Eilat to Tel Aviv, opening fire at short range. The terrorists boarded the bus, and shot each passenger, one by one, murdering 11.
Jan 2, 1955 - Judean Desert
2 hikers killed by terrorists.
Mar 24, 1955 - Patish
1 young woman killed and 18 wounded when terrorists threw hand grenades and opened fire on a crowded wedding celebration.
Apr 7, 1956 - Ashkelon
1 young woman killed when terrorists threw 3 hand grenades into her house.
Apr 7, 1956 - Kibbutz Givat Chaim
2 killed when terrorists opened fire on a car.
Apr 11, 1956 - Shafrir (Kfar Chabad)
3 children and 1 youth worker killed, and 5 injured, when terrorists opened fire on a synagogue full of children and teenagers.
Sep 12, 1956 - Ein Ofarim
Terrorists killed 3 Druze guards.
Sep 23, 1956 - Kibbutz Ramat Rachel
4 archaeologists killed and 16 wounded when terrorists opened fire from a Jordanian position.
Oct 4, 1956 - Sdom
5 Israeli workers killed.
Oct 9, 1956 - Neve Hadasah
2 workers were killed in an orchard of the youth village.
Nov 8, 1956 - Terrorists opened fire on a train, attacked cars and blew up wells, in the north and center of Israel. 6 Israelis were wounded.
Feb 18, 1957 - Nir Yitzhak
2 civilians killed by terrorist landmines.
Apr 16, 1957 - Kibbutz Mesilot
2 guards killed by terrorists who infiltrated from Jordan.
May 29, 1957 - Kibbutz Kisufim
1 killed and 2 wounded when their vehicle struck a landmine.
Aug 23, 1957 - Kibbutz Beit Govrin
2 guards of the Israeli Mekorot water company killed.
Feb 11, 1958 - Kfar Yona
Terrorists killed a resident of Moshav Yanov.
Apr 5, 1958 - Tel Lachish
Terrorists lying in ambush shot and killed 2 people.
May 26, 1958 - Jerusalem
4 Israeli police officers killed in a Jordanian attack on Mt. Scopus.
Nov 17, 1958 - Mt. of the Beatitudes | Syrian terrorists killed the wife of the British air attache in Israel, who was staying at the guesthouse of the Italian Convent.
Dec 3, 1958- Kibbutz Gonen
A shepherd killed and 31 civilians wounded in an artillery attack.
Feb 1, 1959 - Moshav Zavdiel
3 civilians killed by a terrorist landmine.
Apr 27, 1959 - Masada
2 hikers shot and killed at close range.
Apr 26, 1960 - Ashkelon
Terrorists killed a resident of the city.
Jan 1, 1965 - Palestinian terrorists attempted to bomb the National Water Carrier - the first attack carried out by the PLO's Fatah faction.
July 5, 1965 - Mitzpe Massua
A Fatah cell planted explosives near Beit Guvrin, and on the railroad tracks to Jerusalem near Kfar Battir.
May 16, 1966 - Northern Galilee region | 2 Israelis killed when their jeep hit a terrorist landmine. Tracks led into Syria.
Jul 13, 1966 - Almagor
2 soldiers and 1 civilian killed when their truck struck a terrorist landmine.
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This is true. The state of Israel also began its statehood by committing a massacre (Plan Dalet) against a number of Palestinian villiages.

There is a well documented history in the region where terrorism empowers the far right in Israel and vice versa. This has to stop.
 
This makes sense..rise of extremism online but no real credible threats to Jewish locations in the US but increased security just in case ..just further evidence this issue and event is far from American politics, politicians, and DC right now and extremism in the US


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PokitN said:
This is in no way germane to what I said...

I said in the last 48 hours the Anti-Semitism that has shown it's ugly face coming straight out of left wing institutions is much more worrisome than Anti-Semitism being spread on Twitter. BTW I can assure you the previous ownership of Twitter was infinitely more cozy w/ Hamas than Elon is.
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There is a lot of real antisemitism out there and that has increased the last 10 years or so. It also transcends party lines in the us as many of Trumps people have been involved in the movement. This is not a right vs left issue. Attacks on synagogues are at an all time high in the US.

There are also a lot of accusations of antisemitism towards those who criticisize some of the actions the state of Israel or question policies that deliniate rights based on ethnicity. That is not antisemitism in any way, shape or form.

In short, there is a lot of BS flying around. Try not to get sucked into narratives.
 
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There is no doubt Russia was in the middle of this and their new bff, Iran, set it all up. What really needs to happen, and won’t, is Ukraine and Israel needs an infusion of what they need to get their jobs completed.
 
1. I thought Jared Kushner solved this whole mess a while ago?
2. This world would be much, much better off without organized religion. Although I suppose humans would just find some other reason to justify murdering each other.
 
milehighpoke said:
1. I thought Jared Kushner solved this whole mess a while ago?
2. This world would be much, much better off without organized religion. Although I suppose humans would just find some other reason to justify murdering each other.
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This isn't really an organized religion issue. Although I fully support the idea of 100% abolition of organized religion.

Remember the Israelites were Egyptian Nomadic shepherds (not a religious group) who moved all around with their flocks. They mainly stayed around the Goshen region of Egypt.

Eventually as they grew and grew they begin to run into your normal every day Egyptians who worshiped the Pharaoh as a God, and the Israelites were forced out by the Egyptians and an entire nation of 2 million plus then walked for 40 years trying to find a place to live.

The first known written name of Israel as a nation was found on a stele created under Egyptian Pharaoh Memeptah from 1209 BC and it was about a cultural or political entity of central Egypt. It read "Israel is laid to waste and his seed is not"

The Israelites eventually ran into the Canaanites, Samarians, Assyrian's Babylonians, in what is now Israel, claimed God had given the land of that region to the Israelites and then proceeded to destroy the Canaanites, Samarians, Assyrians, Babylonians etc etc etc etc etc From then... until, they were recognized as a country in 1948. And they have been beating anyone back who claims otherwise for ~2300-~3000 Years now.

NOT a religious issue at all. Religion is the scape Goat
 
Polds4OSU said:
This isn't really an organized religion issue. Although I fully support the idea of 100% abolition of organized religion.

Remember the Israelites were Egyptian Nomadic shepherds (not a religious group) who moved all around with their flocks. They mainly stayed around the Goshen region of Egypt.

Eventually as they grew and grew they begin to run into your normal every day Egyptians who worshiped the Pharaoh as a God, and the Israelites were forced out by the Egyptians and an entire nation of 2 million plus then walked for 40 years trying to find a place to live.

The first known written name of Israel as a nation was found on a stele created under Egyptian Pharaoh Memeptah from 1209 BC and it was about a cultural or political entity of central Egypt. It read "Israel is laid to waste and his seed is not"

The Israelites eventually ran into the Canaanites, Samarians, Assyrian's Babylonians, in what is now Israel, claimed God had given the land of that region to the Israelites and then proceeded to destroy the Canaanites, Samarians, Assyrians, Babylonians etc etc etc etc etc From then... until, they were recognized as a country in 1948. And they have been beating anyone back who claims otherwise for ~2300-~3000 Years now.

NOT a religious issue at all. Religion is the scape Goat
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Most of what you wrote here is not factual.

1) There isn't really any evidence of the Exodus actually having occurred. Taking the passage literally and not as an origin myth is problematic and definitely should not be the starting place of discussion in the 21st century.
2) There is good archaeological evidence of both Israel and Judah as kingdoms, but they were most likely in the region before anyway and actually a subgroup of canaanites themselves.
3) You are glossing over the Jewish diaspora under the Romans big time which is the more pertinent issue here.
4) There is not some super length history of religious based warfare in the region, outside of the crusades. Current hostilities have their roots in the British occupation and primarily starting in 1946. Suggesting they were at war or even active as a political force in the region after the diaspora in 70 AD until the 1940s or "beating people back" is about as inaccurate as one can be.

Religion plays a large factor in what is going on here. I mean, just look at the historical narrative you are trying to push through a religious lens that is wholly inaccurate. Now add several other religious lenses and one can see why it is a mess. Ignore it at your own peril.
 
PokitN said:
This is in no way germane to what I said...

I said in the last 48 hours the Anti-Semitism that has shown its ugly face coming straight out of left wing institutions is much more worrisome than Anti-Semitism being spread on Twitter. BTW I can assure you the previous ownership of Twitter was infinitely more cozy w/ Hamas than Elon is.
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Neither party is clean when it comes to anti-semitism and it’s disgusting and needs to be called out no matter where it comes from. To pretend one side is worse is drawing false comparisons.

Anyone on the left making anti-Semitic remarks needs to be called out the same way anyone on the right does. Is it more disgusting to make those remarks now or to invite support and to associate w known anti-semites in the past?
 
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