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I know relatively little about this situation and have read a lot of this thread and appreciate all of the perspectives.

After admitting I know little I would be smart to shut up. But, many here have called me not smart so here goes.

I would say that this is a conflict with no true innocence. If you are seeking to show reasons to support one side that is a pretty easy thing to do. If you are seeking to show that one side is right and the other is wrong, that is very difficult to do. If you are trying to be balanced and figure out who is "more right" or "more wrong" that will be impossible to do. I've heard those arguments from both sides and both have sounded convincing but neither really convinced me.

Political wars are ugly but end.
Ethnic wars are very difficult to end.
Religious wars are dang near impossible to end.

This long term religious and ethnic war is going to take a lot more than anything I've ever seen put on the table to end. So far, not even close.
It is sad that modern people still think their God(s) wants them to fight other people instead of learning to live harmoniously.
 
steross said:
I know relatively little about this situation and have read a lot of this thread and appreciate all of the perspectives.

After admitting I know little I would be smart to shut up. But, many here have called me not smart so here goes.

I would say that this is a conflict with no true innocence. If you are seeking to show reasons to support one side that is a pretty easy thing to do. If you are seeking to show that one side is right and the other is wrong, that is very difficult to do. If you are trying to be balanced and figure out who is "more right" or "more wrong" that will be impossible to do. I've heard those arguments from both sides and both have sounded convincing but neither really convinced me.

Political wars are ugly but end.
Ethnic wars are very difficult to end.
Religious wars are dang near impossible to end.

This long term religious and ethnic war is going to take a lot more than anything I've ever seen put on the table to end. So far, not even close.
It is sad that modern people still think their God(s) wants them to fight other people instead of learning to live harmoniously.
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When this was orange power, we hashed this and rehashed this with every battle. I’ve been on both sides as my life has evolved. The bothersome part of all of this is I believe there’s always a solution to any problem.

Ten years ago I finally came to the realization the solution to this problem is for one to wipe out the other.

That said. What would the world do if Israel declares they will take the Palestinians anyway and Gaza and they will incorporate them into their society and provide them with immediate infrastructure, security, jobs and schools?

Just doing the complete opposite of what everyone expects. A complete carpet bombing of Gaza with hugs and love.

I’m always a dreamer first.
 
Latest developments (apnews)

  • People are struggling to flee from northern Gaza while also grappling with a growing water crisis after Israel stopped the flow of resources to the Gaza Strip
  • The military said Sunday that it would not target a specific route south for several hours, again urging Palestinians to leave the north en masse. The military offered two corridors and a longer window the day before. It says hundreds of thousands have already fled south.
  • No decision on a ground offensive has been announced, although Israel has been massing troops along the Gaza border
  • The war has claimed more than 3,600 lives since Hamas launched an incursion on Oct. 7
  • Gaza’s hospitals are expected to run out of fuel for emergency generations within two days, according to the U.N., which said that that would endanger the lives of thousands of patients

Summary (bbc)​

  1. Israeli troops continue to mass near Gaza ahead of an expected ground offensive - but it has given no indication of when it might mount an attack
  2. Israel has warned 1.1m Palestinians living in north Gaza to evacuate south, and thousands have been fleeing by vehicle or on foot
  3. A hospital in southern Gaza says it has also been told to evacuate by Israel - but its doctors are refusing to do so
  4. Israel has said it has turned water pipes into southern Gaza back on, having restricted supplies as part of its blockade
  5. The UN's aid agency told the BBC that Gaza is "being pushed into an abyss"
  6. The US has sent a second aircraft carrier to the region to "deter hostile actions against Israel". Meanwhile, Iran has warned of "far-reaching consequences" if Israel continues attacking
  7. More than 1,300 people were killed in Israel last weekend when Hamas fighters crossed the border to attack civilians and soldiers
  8. More than 2,300 people have been killed in Israel's bombing campaign of the Gaza Strip launched in the aftermath, Palestinian authorities say
 

Twenty-one hospitals told to evacuate and four not functioning, WHO says​

The scene outside Al-Shifa hospital in Gaza city
The scene outside Al-Shifa hospital in Gaza city which is still functioning, but with very few supplies
Four hospitals in the north of the Gaza strip are no longer working, the World Health Organisation has said.
In a statement on social media, the WHO in occupied Palestinian territory adds that 21 hospitals in Gaza have been given an order to evacuate by the Israel military.
The global health body also notes that the "forced evacuation" of hospitals may amount to a violation of international humanitarian law".
Quote Message: Forced evacuation of hospitals in the Gaza Strip puts the lives of vulnerable patients at immediate risk, amounting to a death sentence for those needing intensive care and lifesaving surgeries."
Forced evacuation of hospitals in the Gaza Strip puts the lives of vulnerable patients at immediate risk, amounting to a death sentence for those needing intensive care and lifesaving surgeries."
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Summary from BBC​

  1. "The lives of thousands of patients" will be "at risk" if fuel reserves at all of Gaza's hospitals run out in the next 24 hours as is expected, the UN is warning.
  2. Conditions for people in Gaza are worsening, with water, food, power and medicines in scarce supply
  3. Israeli troops continue to amass near Gaza ahead of an expected ground offensive targeting Hamas militants
  4. Israel has told 1.1m Palestinians living in the north of Gaza to move south
  5. Hundreds of thousands have done so - doubling the population of the southern city of Khan Younis overnight
  6. The UN says the Middle East "is on the verge of the abyss" and asks Israel to let humanitarian aid in
  7. More than 1,400 people were killed in Israel last weekend when Hamas fighters crossed the border to attack civilians and soldiers
  8. More than 2,450 people have been killed by Israel's bombing of Gaza, Palestinian authorities say, with an estimated 1,000 missing under rubble
 
There’s a vid on X circulation claiming to be the first use of the iron dome laser. I don’t have X nor did I find any other evidence but that doesn’t make it false either.

Those with X should search it. Looks fathomable but I didn’t sleep at Holiday Inn. I stay at the real Relaxinn.
 
Llcoolw said:
There’s a vid on X circulation claiming to be the first use of the iron dome laser. I don’t have X nor did I find any other evidence but that doesn’t make it false either.

Those with X should search it. Looks fathomable but I didn’t sleep at Holiday Inn. I stay at the real Relaxinn.
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https://x.com/front_ukrainian/status/1713612716781261253?s=20

Trying to get this to show the tweet and not make you click it. Not sure it worked. But this source said it was out of focus and a missile from the iron dome and lens flare made it look like a laser.
 
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