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So its not what you believe, you just need to retaliate? I guess I don't understand.
And just a reminder that no one here is saying open borders or that we want violent criminals here illegally. What about saying if someone rapes or murders get out the instant they finish their sentence but if someone is here contributing to society or has a green card but messes up by getting a speeding ticket or something minor then maybe don't worry about them so much? What's extremist about saying someone who may or may not have been protesting in a way that may have been illegal for local police but not the agents in question (who deal with immigration enforcement-civil disobedience isn't their jurisdiction) doesn't deserve to die? Have we gotten to the point that the death of a citizen is more important as a political football than finding out why it happened?
The whole shooting incidence started with people claiming she was just dropping her kid off at school, she wasn't impeding anyone, then it changed to well even if she was. The only thing I said, all along, was if she hadn't done exactly what everyone was saying she didn't do, she wouldn't be dead.
Who would you say was being the extremist?
If you deport 12MM illegal immigrants/asylum seekers the US crime rate goes up per capita (not taking into account the misdemeanor of illegal entry).
If you deport 12MM 18-30 yo white males the US crime rate goes down per capita.
Whites per capita take more from the US in “welfare” per capita than illegal immigrants.
You cannot argue data w someone who trafficks in racism. At their core they are wrong. It takes a life encounter to change their beliefs. They receive confirmation from the news they consume and the social media they read.
JTOSU
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My guess is many of here forget that that immigration policies of the Trump administration are the same that President Clinton supported (people should listed to his 1995 SOTU address); President Obama supported (in his first term); and Candidate Hillary Clinton spoke about numerous times. Specifically for immigration policy, the liberals have moved to an extremest left viewpoint. A viewpoint much different than what both Democrats and Republican alike supported.
The debate should not be about the need to curtail illegal immigration…it should be about the current tactics imposed. Other than far-right MAGA, I haven’t seen anyone support 1) the need for ICE to be wearing masks; 2) or shooting and killing a protester in their car in the middle of the street.
If we’ve “flooded the system” how come the administration is seeking increases from Europe, South Africa, China and those who can pay for the Trump immigration Card?
I don't think they forget, I think it doesn't fit the agenda. And if you remind them, you're an extremist.
Seriously, was that post inaccurate?
Whether every single charge against Trump is fair or not, it is clear that this is an unethical person who has done some very bad and illegal things. I don't understand how people are willing to let that go.
Polds4OSU
Marshall
Auchincloss: "When you have a badge and a gun and you are interacting with a US citizen who has committed no crime, the onus of responsibility is on you to exercise good judgment and to use that weapon only as an absolute last resort. Nobody watching that video will buy the argument from that ICE agent that he had no other resort other than to shoot her in the face three times."
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Auchincloss: "When you have a badge and a gun and you are interacting with a US citizen who has committed no crime, the onus of responsibility is on you to exercise good judgment and to use that weapon only as an absolute last resort. Nobody watching that video will buy the argument from that...
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So you believe the system isn't flooded?
Are they seeking increases or legal immigration?
Nevermind, you'll just throw the race card.
I didn't claim that I didn't like immigrants breaking the law. You were the one that made that statement.
JTOSU
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First, your graph absolutely does not support that.
Second, as I’ve mentioned before, I am from an heavy immigrant family. The MAJORITY of my aunts, uncles, and cousins still do not live in the US (my grandparents and my wife’s grandparents not only never moved to the US, I dont think they ever even visited).. But all that have migrated to the US, have come here legally. My dad and FIL do NOT live in any fear that there is a war against them (even though a poster responded earlier this year that maybe I should live in fear of ICE)..
White liberals need to seriously stop being so uneducated about a subject and arrogant that they think they know what is best for people that look different than them. I can tell you my first-hand experience with my family members - none of us think there is a war against brown people. All of us support immigration - none of us support illegal immigration.
Do we know what really happened yet? Ive said it could have been a wide range of things and we should know by now not to jump to conclusions.
Do you feel the same way about the people who tried to create the narrative that she was trying to run over the agent? Do you think she wasn't allowed to protest? What was she supposed to do when one of the agents told her to get out of there?
On the other side, what about the people who feel nothing but rage towards the officer that fired the shots? If that guy really is suffering from PTSD then I don't think its fair to put all of this on him. Where is the outrage at his supervisors and the administration that gave someone who may have been struggling a loaded weapon and put him in that position? Where was the training that taught agents how to deal with situations like this which everyone knew they would experience?
Why is all of your outrage only directed in one direction?
What extremist position has anybody in this thread set be specific so we can actually understand what you're trying to say.
no, my statement was I wasn't OK about ANYONE breaking the law. Twisting my words is a tad extreme.
See previous post...
Also see the post referencing those of you who initially insisted she did nothing that she actually did.
Polds4OSU
Marshall
Sen. Tina Smith: "How can we trust the federal government to do an objective, unbiased investigation, without prejudice, when at the beginning of that investigation they have already announced what they think happened? ... they have completely destroyed any credibility."
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Sen. Tina Smith: "How can we trust the federal government to do an objective, unbiased investigation, without prejudice, when at the beginning of that investigation they have already announced what they think happened? ... they have completely destroyed any credibility."
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Polds4OSU
Marshall
The Department of Homeland Security changed its account of an immigration enforcement-related shooting in Maryland that left two injured on Christmas Eve, a move prompted by a local police account that contradicted the federal agency’s initial statement.
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The Department of Homeland Security changed its account of an immigration enforcement-related shooting in Maryland that left two injured on Christmas Eve, a move prompted by a local police account that contradicted the federal agency’s initial statement.
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If you don't like anyone breaking the law, why would you break the law yourself?
