Gaetz Will Try To Oust McCarthy As Speaker This Week For Averting Government Shutdown

JTOSU said:
Unless there was more to the video clip (maybe there was), I think you are adding context that was not shown. He is saying he saw videos. He didn’t say anything about underage girl videos or videos without consent.
He obviously didnt like Gaetz doing that and clear he does not like Gaetz, but don’t see why Mullin would go to Capitol Police over a video.
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I didn’t say the video was of underage women or non consent definitely occurred. I’m saying that a person w very public allegations involving underage girls AND sex trafficking is being accused by a very conservative “Christian” rep of showing videos on the house floor of women while he’s bragging about snorting ED pills and pounding Red Bulls so “he can go all night” and none of these “Christian” men felt the need to make sure none of these women were (1) underage (2)filmed without their consent or knowledge (3) victims of sex trafficking and/or (4) bc drugs/pharmaceuticals were being abused they were safe? The entire situation is just sad.

Either MWM watched a video as he claimed and felt no need to check up on the welfare of women which is disgusting. Or he’s lying about Gaetz.

And we are to believe that MWM knew about the allegations and saw the videos over 2 years ago and he so obviously didn’t like what Gaetz was doing that he is just now speaking out. That’s some great family values and courage on the part of Mark.
 
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I didn’t say the video was of underage women or non consent definitely occurred. I’m saying that a person w very public allegations involving underage girls AND sex trafficking is being accused by a very conservative “Christian” rep of showing videos on the house floor of women while he’s bragging about snorting ED pills and pounding Red Bulls so “he can go all night” and none of these “Christian” men felt the need to make sure none of these women were (1) underage (2)filmed without their consent or knowledge (3) victims of sex trafficking and/or (4) bc drugs/pharmaceuticals were being abused they were safe? The entire situation is just sad.

Either MWM watched a video as he claimed and felt no need to check up on the welfare of women which is disgusting. Or he’s lying about Gaetz.

And we are to believe that MWM knew about the allegations and saw the videos over 2 years ago and he so obviously didn’t like what Gaetz was doing that he is just now speaking out. That’s some great family values and courage on the part of Mark.
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Gaetz is a piece of human debris, no doubt about that. I’m not really sure what’s on the videos on that phone, but I’m sure it’s not good wholesome family fun. If Gaetz was showing those videos on the House Floor the question has to be why at least the Sgt At Arms wasn’t notified for inappropriate behavior in session.

You are correct if there was a question about age appropriate participants it should have been reported. The amazing thing I see over and over is intelligent and responsible people don’t react as you would expect to these kinds of situations. We see it in churches, schools, businesses and other branches of government. It’s like we expect everyone else but ourselves to report criminal behavior.

I’ve investigated several cases of financial mismanagement where a good, law abiding person did not report someone engaged in major embezzlement but they didn’t think it was their news to report. One supervisor even said he thought his supervisor would catch it and it’s not in his job description to rat on coworkers.

This code of the playground stuff is stupid.
 
HacklemanPoke said:
I didn’t say the video was of underage women or non consent definitely occurred. I’m saying that a person w very public allegations involving underage girls AND sex trafficking is being accused by a very conservative “Christian” rep of showing videos on the house floor of women while he’s bragging about snorting ED pills and pounding Red Bulls so “he can go all night” and none of these “Christian” men felt the need to make sure none of these women were (1) underage (2)filmed without their consent or knowledge (3) victims of sex trafficking and/or (4) bc drugs/pharmaceuticals were being abused they were safe? The entire situation is just sad.

Either MWM watched a video as he claimed and felt no need to check up on the welfare of women which is disgusting. Or he’s lying about Gaetz.

And we are to believe that MWM knew about the allegations and saw the videos over 2 years ago and he so obviously didn’t like what Gaetz was doing that he is just now speaking out. That’s some great family values and courage on the part of Mark.
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I am a “meh” on Mullin. Having spoken to him a few times, he …like a lot of politicians…is a one-trick pony. But I like that he is coming out so aggressively against Gaetz (who just appears to be an attention-seeking slimeball). I don’t view this as a negative on Mullin and/or Mullin missed on reporting something he should have.

I think you may be stretching to add context that is not there…or possibly you have seen other videos/interviews that are not on this thread.

* What was said by Mullin in the interview that leads you to believe that the women were filmed without consent, underage, or that they needed to be checked on? And that Mullin even remotely thought that? On a subsequent interview yesterday, Mullin said what Gaetz was doing was wrong, but he did not think he should be expelled. If it was to a level that should be reported to police, I think it is safe to assume Mullin would view that as an expel situation/event.

* What were the videos of women Mullin saw? You appear to be interpreting Mullin’s statement of “videos of the girls he had slept with” to be sex videos being shared. Maybe it was, but my assumption (based on that interview and his statements in the following interview) it was videos/pictures of women Gaetz was parading around. Those two different interpretations are certainly big differences in what actions Mullin should have done.
You knows, maybe he will clarify in another interview. In any event good for Mullin to come after Gaetz.
 
JTOSU said:
I am a “meh” on Mullin. Having spoken to him a few times, he …like a lot of politicians…is a one-trick pony. But I like that he is coming out so aggressively against Gaetz (who just appears to be an attention-seeking slimeball). I don’t view this as a negative on Mullin and/or Mullin missed on reporting something he should have.

I think you may be stretching to add context that is not there…or possibly you have seen other videos/interviews that are not on this thread.

* What was said by Mullin in the interview that leads you to believe that the women were filmed without consent, underage, or that they needed to be checked on? And that Mullin even remotely thought that? On a subsequent interview yesterday, Mullin said what Gaetz was doing was wrong, but he did not think he should be expelled. If it was to a level that should be reported to police, I think it is safe to assume Mullin would view that as an expel situation/event.

* What were the videos of women Mullin saw? You appear to be interpreting Mullin’s statement of “videos of the girls he had slept with” to be sex videos being shared. Maybe it was, but my assumption (based on that interview and his statements in the following interview) it was videos/pictures of women Gaetz was parading around. Those two different interpretations are certainly big differences in what actions Mullin should have done.
You knows, maybe he will clarify in another interview. In any event good for Mullin to come after Gaetz.
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Public allegations regarding underage girls and/or sex trafficking tied to Gaetz have been around for years.

Mullin’s own words in the interview tell us (1) there were videos of women shared by Gaetz on the house floor
(2)pharmaceuticals were abused in connection with the videos and the context was so that “Gaetz could go all night.”
(3) the videos were shared over 2 years ago as MWM clearly says they were viewed before Gaetz’s 2021 wedding.

To sum MWM videos of women w references to pharmaceutical abuse and sexual performance over 2yrs ago. Mark’s words from the interview above. No inference from me. Mark’s own words about women, pharma abuse and sexual performance from a high profile person w very public allegations involving sex trafficking and underage girls.

Either MWM is lying and subjecting his very high net worth and position to a potential lawsuit from Gaetz.

Or MWM is telling the truth and he’s such a good “Christian Man” that immediately upon seeing the video, hearing Gaetz’s own words he waited over 2 years to do something about it.

I’m not contextualizimg anything here. These are facts.
 
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HacklemanPoke said:
Public allegations regarding underage girls and/or sex trafficking tied to Garth have been around for years.

Mullin’s own words in the interview tell us (1) there were videos of women shared by Gaetz on the house floor
(2)pharmaceuticals were abused in connection with the videos and the context was so that “Gaetz could go all night.”
(3) the videos were shared over 2 years ago as MWM clearly says they were viewed before Gaetz’s 2021 wedding.

To sum MWM videos of women w references to pharmaceutical abuse and sexual performance over 2yrs ago. Mark’s words from the interview above. No inference from me. Mark’s own words about women, pharma abuse and sexual performance from a high profile person w very public allegations involving sex trafficking and underage girls.

Either MWM is lying and subjecting his very high net worth and position to a potential lawsuit from Gaetz.

Or MWM is telling the truth and he’s such a good “Christian Man” that immediately upon seeing the video, hearing Gaetz’s own words he waited over 2 years to do something about it.

I’m not contextualizimg anything here. These are facts.
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Items #1 and #3 you list are correct. Item #2 is not a fact supported by that interview or the following one.

You are inferring 1) that videos were off a nature that they should be reported…and 2) if they were that Mullin never reported. His interview doesn’t mention either of those.

Based on Gaetz history, I am betting Mullin is telling the truth. You can certainly blame Mullin for many things he does that you disagree, but I don’t see how this is one.
 
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JTOSU said:
Items #1 and #3 you list are correct. Item #2 is not a fact supported by that interview or the following one.

You are inferring 1) that videos were off a nature that they should be reported…and 2) if they were that Mullin never reported. His interview doesn’t mention either of those.

Based on Gaetz history, I am betting Mullin is telling the truth. You can certainly blame Mullin for many things he does that you disagree, but I don’t see how this is one.
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MWM absolutely ties the abuse of pharmaceuticals to the videos (to quote MWM in the interview “of the girls he had slept with”). And he ties the videos to the underage allegations by saying “nobody in the conference defended him.” And the reason was “we had all seen the videos of the girls he had slept with.”

And I sure as hell find fault w a father and Christian who admits to being disgusted enough to walk away from videos (plural) and uses said videos as a reason to “not defend” Gaetz against allegations of underage girls and sex trafficking but never came out publicly about Gaetz until it was politically convenient.

It’s no wonder we suffer Trump and Christians are leaving the American church in droves if this is the way we explain away abuse.
 
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Polds4OSU said:
it is disgusting. And apparently a large part of the males in the House GOP has seen these videos.

MWM wants to be Gov of Oklahoma. Yet he wouldn't speak out against this video that is being shown to him by the ONLY congressman in American History who asked to be pardoned for Sex Trafficking ...how is he expected to protect the women of Oklahoma if he won't even call out his own co-worker showing him direct evidence engaging in potential underage sex, illegal recording of the act, and possible trafficking

thehill.com

Gaetz sought pardon from Trump over DOJ probe into sex trafficking allegations: report

The Justice Department is investigating allegations that Gaetz paid for sex, paid for women to travel across state lines to have sex and had a sexual relationship with a minor. Gaetz denies the all…
thehill.com thehill.com
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Gaetz won reelection in 2022 by a whopping 68% against a Democrat female, so, no doubt, not very many women have a problem with his behavior. In turn, I would expect plenty of Oklahoma Republican women would vote for Mullin to make sure he would win any future election in Oklahoma. Just how bad and disrespectful can Republican males be toward women before they won't vote for them. Who knows?

From wiki, on December 19, 2017, Gaetz was the only representative to vote against the Combating Human Trafficking in Commercial Vehicles Act, a bill allocating additional government resources to help combat human trafficking.

On February 27, 2018, Gaetz voted against the Allow States and Victims to Fight Online Sex Trafficking Act, which had by then been combined with the Stop Enabling Sex Traffickers Act. It passed, 388–25.[214]

On July 26, 2022, Gaetz voted against the Frederick Douglass Trafficking Victims Prevention and Protection Reauthorization Act, which passed 401–20. Why do women as well as decent men vote for this guy?
 
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PF5 said:
You do not believe this, do you?!
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Quite absolutely!! Just like I believe that plenty of Oklahoma women voted for Mullin and helped him win, even though he is pro-life with no exceptions and supports a law that would ban abortion nationwide. Mullin won with 62% of the vote and like Gaetz it was against a female challenger. I would even venture to say that Mullin would win even if he said he supports a ban on birth control pills. Once again, who knows how far extreme Republican candidates can go and plenty of women in Oklahoma and other Red States would still vote for them. If a ban on birth control pills exempted married women, then plenty of married women would be for that. They would hope such a ban would discourage single women from stealing their husbands.

Mullin won the primary while looking stupid for constantly running a TV ad about him being against boys playing in girls' sports at school. It looked stupid because Oklahoma had passed a law that took care of that problem. But reflects how Oklahomans are more concerned about the cultural issues, rather than the economic issues and helps reflect why no question has been run to raise minimum wage in Oklahoma.
 
Steve Scalise...this has all been an absolute Joke. The 8 Reps that voted for this should all have to wear clown shoes.
 
Looking at the last 50 years the self proclaimed “Party of Family Values” with whom “American Christianity” has aligned itself with and their Speaker choices issues.

Newt has been married 3 times and was divorced from his 2nd wife while he was having an affair and she had cancer.

He was followed by Dennis Hastert who spent time in prison for paying off sexual assault accusers while he was a wrestling coach (put a pin in that).

Their next speaker was Marlboro John Boehner who is now a “lobbyist” for the marijuana industry.

They finally select a true fiscal conservative in Paul Ryan but he’s not from Magastan so he has to go.

Ryan is followed up by Kevin. Kevin’s 2nd term starts w uncertainty as it takes the most votes in the last 175 yrs or so to elect a Speaker. To do so Kevin had to sell his soul. But Kevin is removed from the speakership by a fellow Republican who has allegations of underage and trafficking. Matt’s payback for this outing was a televised interview w a Magastanian GOP Senator who accused the Kevin’s outer of showing video’s on the house floor of girls and said Gaetz bragged of snorting an ED drug and pounding Red Bull so he could “go all night”. All the while admitting no one in the caucus came to Gaetz’s defense because “we had all seen the videos he showed on the House floor.”

Now we get to the current front runners.

Candidate A can only muster 53% of the caucus’s vote and won’t be brought to the floor for a vote bc the Rs can’t get to 50% +1. Seems like someone from the 99 Rs who voted against him is banging the racist drum and other Rs are questioning if he has the capacity to lead bc of his cancer diagnosis.

In 2nd place we have Candidate B. That pin we placed earlier on a former speaker w allegations of abuse as a wrestling coach. Let’s take that out as Candidate B has allegations that he ignored/enabled abuse of wrestlers while he was a college coach.

Candidate C while not a serious candidate is also twice divorced and has paid off porn stars and playmates to silence alleged affairs. His charity has been shut down bc he stole from kids w cancer. He has declared bankruptcy 4 times. He has lost lawsuits from rape accusers. He has bragged about sexually assaulting women. He has been photographed w alleged trafficker Epstein. He lost a lawsuit that said his business defrauded the taxpayers of NY and is currently under 91 indictments for criminal charges.

Why can’t they nominate and get behind someone like Tom Cole?
 
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