Conference Realignment - What's next?

Osucowboy79 said:
I'm starting to lose a little faith in Yormark. He's historically been a basketball guy and has recently made statements about prioritizing basketball. As such, the Uconn smoke is not surprising.

The problem is that basketball is a sinking ship, ratings have been trending down for years in college and the NBA. I have no doubt the Big 12 will be the best basketball conference, but football is the only thing that pays the bills.

In my opinion, all moves should be football focused. I'd love to hear a dissenting opinion but I think that if we take schools over football we'll end up a group of 5 conference in a few years.
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The football war is lost. Everyone is fighting for 3rd best, and frankly, that's a two horse race between the B12 and ACC. With news that the B1G might be looking to raid the ACC, the fight between the B12 and ACC will be decided for us. All that's left is to become the premier basketball conference, and adding UCONN and Gonzaga would help cement that. UCONN, Zaga, KU, and Arizona would be a stacked conference at the top. Even the middle of the conference would stack up against every other conference's top teams.
 
Osucowboy79 said:
I'm starting to lose a little faith in Yormark. He's historically been a basketball guy and has recently made statements about prioritizing basketball. As such, the Uconn smoke is not surprising.

The problem is that basketball is a sinking ship, ratings have been trending down for years in college and the NBA. I have no doubt the Big 12 will be the best basketball conference, but football is the only thing that pays the bills.

In my opinion, all moves should be football focused. I'd love to hear a dissenting opinion but I think that if we take schools over football we'll end up a group of 5 conference in a few years.
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There is a lot of money living in the NCAA tournament. Right now a significant portion goes to the NCAA as it is the main product that funds the entire organization. I'll also echo @EdmondPoke, no one is catching the B1G & SEC. That war was lost a long, long time ago. It is about becoming the most stable & vital 3rd conference. If we can kick the legs from under the PAC, become the best basketball conference, and be a nice place of refuge for when the SEC & B1G attack the east coast, we will have maximized our potential.
 
Osucowboy79 said:
I'm starting to lose a little faith in Yormark. He's historically been a basketball guy and has recently made statements about prioritizing basketball. As such, the Uconn smoke is not surprising.

The problem is that basketball is a sinking ship, ratings have been trending down for years in college and the NBA. I have no doubt the Big 12 will be the best basketball conference, but football is the only thing that pays the bills.

In my opinion, all moves should be football focused. I'd love to hear a dissenting opinion but I think that if we take schools over football we'll end up a group of 5 conference in a few years.
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We are not going to add UConn or any other all sports schools if they don't get a pro rata deal from the media partners (ie same payout as everyone, no ones payout goes down). So why worry about it since the next go round of media rights negotiations will likely be very different anyway. Also if in fact Yormark can spin off the basketball rights like he plans then we can bring in even more money to the conference. It is out of the box thinking and finding other revenue streams that are going to be our only way to somewhat close the money gap to the big 2 conferences.
 
UConn doesn’t seem to be a culture fit.

B1G are nerds. SECSECSEC is rednecked trailer park bandwagon. I like to think of big12 culture is unglamorous blue collar. Could be wrong because wvu is burning couches and meth.
 
sc5mu93 said:
UConn doesn’t seem to be a culture fit.

B1G are nerds. SECSECSEC is rednecked trailer park bandwagon. I like to think of big12 culture is unglamorous blue collar. Could be wrong because wvu is burning couches and meth.
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The map with ACC remnants (assuming another power move by SEC) and the four corners schools all part of one conference with us actually got my attention. I'll see if I can find it. Made sense geographically, economically, academically, and would be plenty competitive with multiple rivalry set ups.

However, I think the conferences are already getting too big as we're already seeing with the SEC and BIG, divisions may be a thing of the past, their traditional rivalries won't matter, etc. For us though, how big can we make our market and footprint is this point I guess. I do not believe in the "basketball power conference" mentality and do not think a Gonzaga/Uconn move makes any sense whatsoever with the remaining shuffling that will take place. But I am not in charge.
 
Don’t get me wrong, I’m still hoping we get picked up by the SEC after the B1G expands further, but I like UA and CU in the B12. I’m wondering how long it would be before ASU gets an invite, as it seems natural to pair UA and ASU together.
 
OSUPSYCHO said:
We are not going to add UConn or any other all sports schools if they don't get a pro rata deal from the media partners (ie same payout as everyone, no ones payout goes down). So why worry about it since the next go round of media rights negotiations will likely be very different anyway. Also if in fact Yormark can spin off the basketball rights like he plans then we can bring in even more money to the conference. It is out of the box thinking and finding other revenue streams that are going to be our only way to somewhat close the money gap to the big 2 conferences.
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Not according to this CBS article:

Sources tell CBS Sports that the money, at least for Gonzaga, would more than likely come from within the league. Schools might sacrifice some of their existing share to entice the Zags and/or Huskies. Plus, the Big 12 continues to sit on the $100 million combined buyout it got from Texas and Oklahoma.
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www.cbssports.com

Inside the Big 12's pursuit of Gonzaga, UConn as Brett Yormark aims to increase league's basketball dominance

Whether Yormark has the support from the rest of the Big 12 remains to be seen
www.cbssports.com www.cbssports.com

It should be noted, that Gonzaga's TV reach is greater nationally then UConn and in games against P5 teams, have a ratings draw 2.5 times greater than the average Big 12 school. Also, this article says all of Gonzaga's sports would join the Big 12.

(Gonzaga does not sponsor football. Its minor sports would also be in the Big 12.)
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celldweller7 said:
www.cbssports.com

Inside the Big 12's pursuit of Gonzaga, UConn as Brett Yormark aims to increase league's basketball dominance

Whether Yormark has the support from the rest of the Big 12 remains to be seen
www.cbssports.com www.cbssports.com

It should be noted, that Gonzaga's TV reach is greater nationally then UConn and in games against P5 teams, have a ratings draw 2.5 times greater than the average Big 12 school. Also, this article says all of Gonzaga's sports would join the Big 12.
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Well the other sports don't really matter anyway in realignment, just football and somewhat basketball. Since they don't have football...
 
I appreciate the responses and do think we're going to have one heck of a basketball conference, but I don't think that really helps anybody. In the end, we'd just beat each other up during conference and the tournament will be what it will be.

If the basketball numbers continue their decline it will not be good. Men's Basketball does make money (all other non-football sports lose money) but it's in the $2-4 mil range. When you compare that to football that makes $30 mil+.

While we may be fighting for 3rd place in football, it's the fight to have. A closer 3rd compared to a distant 3rd will mean millions. The benefit from being the premier Basketball conference will be negligible.

Just my thoughts. And I'll admit, my frustration with OSU Basketball the last decade doesn't help.
 
Osucowboy79 said:
I appreciate the responses and do think we're going to have one heck of a basketball conference, but I don't think that really helps anybody. In the end, we'd just beat each other up during conference and the tournament will be what it will be.

If the basketball numbers continue their decline it will not be good. Men's Basketball does make money (all other non-football sports lose money) but it's in the $2-4 mil range. When you compare that to football that makes $30 mil+.

While we may be fighting for 3rd place in football, it's the fight to have. A closer 3rd compared to a distant 3rd will mean millions. The benefit from being the premier Basketball conference will be negligible.

Just my thoughts. And I'll admit, my frustration with OSU Basketball the last decade doesn't help.
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You are ignoring the nearly billion dollar annual TV rights for the NCAA Tournament. Right now the NCAA keeps most of that money to fund the NCAA. If increased amounts of those dollars go to the teams in the tournament & their conferences, basketball is worth a whole hell of a lot more than $4 million dollars.
 
One thing that can be overlooked when it comes to basketball is home attendance. Bringing in Gonzaga and/or UConn should be able to offset or even increase attendance with the departure of texas/ou. Increased home attendance/concessions will be money in our pocket that is not split with the other schools. I know this is a simplistic view and other factors exist (coaching/players/ticket prices) but you could easily grab another $1-5 million every season.
 
celldweller7 said:
You are ignoring the nearly billion dollar annual TV rights for the NCAA Tournament. Right now the NCAA keeps most of that money to fund the NCAA. If increased amounts of those dollars go to the teams in the tournament & their conferences, basketball is worth a whole hell of a lot more than $4 million dollars.
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I can't find any info that the ncaa is planning on changing how they distribute that money. What have you seen?

The good news I did see is that the TV contract runs until 2032. CBS will have to eat the losses until they renegotiate if viewership continues to collapse.
 
Which happens first, George R R Martin's next book gets published, or PAC-10 gets a media deal?

A Sicem 365 episode guest said the Big 12's favored choices are Arizona, Colorado, UConn, and San Diego State. That would put 4 in the west (SDSU, CU, BYU, and UA), 4 in the east (WVU, UConn, UC, and UCF), 4 former Southwest Conference teams (TTU, TCU, BU, and UH) and 4 former Big 8 (OSU, ISU, KU, and KSU). That makes an interesting mix.

I suspect we'll have a decision by the end of the month as PAC members have to give a 1 year notice for leaving and their current contract expires on June 30, 2024 and SDSU's exit fee triples on July 1, 2023. So if SDSU leaves the Mountain West in the foreseeable future I would expect news of such prior to July 1.
 
CaptainEric37 said:
Which happens first, George R R Martin's next book gets published, or PAC-10 gets a media deal?

A Sicem 365 episode guest said the Big 12's favored choices are Arizona, Colorado, UConn, and San Diego State. That would put 4 in the west (SDSU, CU, BYU, and UA), 4 in the east (WVU, UConn, UC, and UCF), 4 former Southwest Conference teams (TTU, TCU, BU, and UH) and 4 former Big 8 (OSU, ISU, KU, and KSU). That makes an interesting mix.

I suspect we'll have a decision by the end of the month as PAC members have to give a 1 year notice for leaving and their current contract expires on June 30, 2024 and SDSU's exit fee triples on July 1, 2023. So if SDSU leaves the Mountain West in the foreseeable future I would expect news of such prior to July 1.
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While it does bring balance, none of those add anything. We'd be a worse conference with them than without.
 
Osucowboy79 said:
While it does bring balance, none of those add anything. We'd be a worse conference with them than without.
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We’re a much better basketball conference with them, which is the only card the Big 12 has with which to play. Additive football expansion is, for all intents and purposes, dead until the B1G or SEC decide to expand.
 
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