I would also like to know why the pardon goes back all the way to 10 years ago. That was probably the only thing that made me go hmmm. I certainly wasn't surprised that he pardoned Hunter and honestly it probably doesn't even make my top ten things to be pissed off at Crooked Joe for. I would be looking for a blanket pardon for Joe's brother next and he might just give himself one for good measure.
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Analysis: Biden’s pardon for son shows presidents now act differently
The move makes it easier for future presidents to ignore guardrails and use the pardon power as a political instrument.
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Trump disavowed Project 2025. Now he's hiring its contributors for his administration
Donald Trump distanced himself from the conservative Project 2025 playbook throughout his campaign. Now, he is tapping its contributors to lead his government.
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MSNBC headline: The Unfair Prosecution of Hunter Biden is Over - Finally
“Hunter Biden’s criminal cases were the direct result of a political campaign by Donald Trump”
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“Hunter Biden’s criminal cases were the direct result of a political campaign by Donald Trump”
Opinion | President Biden had every right to pardon Hunter Biden
Hunter Biden’s criminal cases were the direct result of a political campaign by Donald Trump and his supporters in an attempt to attack Joe Biden.
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The Unfair Prosecution of Hunter Biden is Over - Finally
“Hunter Biden’s criminal cases were the direct result of a political campaign by Donald Trump”
Opinion | President Biden had every right to pardon Hunter Biden
Hunter Biden’s criminal cases were the direct result of a political campaign by Donald Trump and his supporters in an attempt to attack Joe Biden.
TRUMP MADE HUNTER BIDEN SMOKE CRACK!!!!!
Seriously, if his last name were different I'm sure it wouldn't have gotten the scrutiny it did, but IMO the best way to avoid a prison sentence is to not commit a felony. You can't blame the justice system for doing what it should do in situations like this.
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Been saying forever, the divide shouldn't be between normal people based on whether they vote left of right. The divide is between all of us normal people and the politically connected on both sides of the aisle. Well it will at least be entertaining to see the talking heads defend this and then turn around and condemn Trump when he starts doing it.
He’s already done it in his first term. Pardoned Jared’s father-in-law and is now naming him Abassador to France.
I’m not what-abouting.
Just recognizing facts and condemning it in both situations.
First and foremost I want to say this shouldn’t happen. Now with that said I believe they are concerned with what might happen with Trump being the president. I understand why he would do it for that reason. It’s still wrong though.
Isn’t Trump Jared’s father-in-law? Nice what-about while not what-abouting. Pretty sure Jared’s dad spent almost a year and a half in prison. These are not even close to being the same thing.His call to a Chinese businessman hardly speaks to being an innocent hounded by over-zealous prosecutors: “I am sitting here with my father and we would like to understand why the commitment made has not been fulfilled. Tell the director that I would like to resolve this now before it gets out of hand, and now means tonight. And, Z, if I get a call or text from anyone involved in this other than you, Zhang, or the chairman, I will make certain that between the man sitting next to me and every person he knows and my ability to forever hold a grudge that you will regret not following my direction. I am sitting here waiting for the call with my father.”
At what point does it stop being about "owning the libs" and you realize that you're owning yourself too? I can't (or maybe just don't want to) believe that you maga's see all of these cabinet picks and think "yea, that's definitely the most qualified person for the job". Trump has literally sold the spots to the highest bidders. None of you see any problems with this?
Or how about the fact that he has a crypto currency that is not regulated? No worries that foreign interests can funnel tons of money to him this way?
Perhaps I'm giving maga's too much credit. They will happily sink the ship we're all on together if it means more libtard tears and dank memes.
Or how about the fact that he has a crypto currency that is not regulated? No worries that foreign interests can funnel tons of money to him this way?
Perhaps I'm giving maga's too much credit. They will happily sink the ship we're all on together if it means more libtard tears and dank memes.
I do think that a large portion of MAGA, particularly internet MAGA, is at the childish level of acting like they are a sports team and are beating a rival.
But,Trump won and even won the popular vote. And that is a little harder to write off as just MAGA idiots. I agree with you that there is risk in what he is doing. But the truth is, and is IMHO why the populace is turning to Trump, those government entities had already been sold off. I don't know WTF the "deep state" is but there is a lot that is not good in our government's relationship with industry.
For example, I had always though that the government regulated pesticide use to the point that any pesticide we would be eating would be so minimal as to have no health effect. But, there is a company, partially funded by the USDA and USAID, that actively fights against any attempts to show lack of pesticide safety. The regulators take jobs in the industry after they are done regulating therfore have to make generous rulings. The system is broken. https://www.thenewlede.org/2024/09/...ides-and-influence-policies-around-the-world/
And that is just one example out of the many. I have railed before about the sick-care industry that I work in that makes a lot more money treating chronic disease rather than trying to prevent chronic disease.
So, I think people are fed up. And, right or wrong, they think that Trump is bringing in people that will change some of these things. I am skeptical by nature and think the powerful are too powerful to be stopped this way. But, I can understand why people given the choices might take that chance to go against the status quo. After all, if wrong, they simply changed who is taking the money. If right, maybe there will be some real change.
He “literally” sold the cabinet spots? Where are you getting this information?
If you are stating that he selected his cabinet spots from loyalty and seeking yes-men (because Trump appears to desire adulation and undying loyalty to a fault), then I would understand your point.
As for qualified — that is subjective. I think Rubio, Bondi, Chavez-Deremer are more than qualified for their positions. I don’t think anyone objective would state that Pete Buttigieg was most qualified for his cabinet role.
Yeah, and Pete did a bang up job of getting the bridge built and the port open. But considering that he’s a Rhodes scholar that’s to be expected. What grade did some of Trump’s appointees pass?
A few of them won’t pass even the sniff test.
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Yeah, I could care less about smoking crack and lying about it on a firearm application. Why a blanket pardon that covers an entire decade? This clears him of everything we know and could potentially find out back to a certain date. This is not your typical pardon.
So are we now also talking about including debating the merits of non-cabinet appointments? If so, that would be a very long discussion. But, I will discuss one non-cabinet. You may not like Kash Patel for ideological reasons, but he is eminently qualified for Director of FBI (senior advisor to DNI; chief of staff to Secretary of Defense; National Security Council; multi-year public defender; trial attorney for DOJ).
It will be interesting to see if Pete Hegseth survives nomination with the claims against him. Does he have the best qualifications for Secretary of Defense — absolutely no. But are his qualifications very similar to previous Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel and Leon Panetta — yes.
Also, you probably have legitimate concerns about RFK as Secretary of Health and Human Services. But compare his prior qualifications to the current Secretary Xavier Becerra. RFK’s qualifications are at least even and probably better.
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so one...in your opinion...I actually don't mind you only picked one to say is qualified, because they are not qualified...in my opinion...
Kash Patel: Trump's FBI nominee's qualifications face criticism
Kash Patel, a Trump loyalist and vocal critic of the FBI, has vowed to overhaul the chief US law enforcement agency.
www.bbc.com
I understand you have strong ideological reasons not to like Patel. But subtracting political views, Patel has objectively strong previous experience for his role.so one...in your opinion...I actually don't mind you only picked one to say is qualified, because they are not qualified...in my opinion...
Kash Patel: Trump's FBI nominee's qualifications face criticism
Kash Patel, a Trump loyalist and vocal critic of the FBI, has vowed to overhaul the chief US law enforcement agency.
My initial reply was to a post about cabinet picks. You expanded to non-cabinet selections. There are myriad of these. I utilized one as an example.
I am sure you would agree we can find a lot of under qualified non-cabinet appointments with most every administration.
To me the qualification question is tricky. If you have spent your career in the govt or govt adjacent you aren't qualified in my opinion because they suck at everything they do. The flip side of that is not insanity like picking a guy who has a history of 17 year old lovers or the wife of the boss of a wrestling organization to lead education. It would be wonderful to bring in private sector leaders from fields that are applicable or at least where one could draw parallels but the cabinet picks are frightening in many cases.
