I find it funny that you are claiming that now obviously Ukraine was never winning and it was just propagamda bevause they are struggling now. Maybe that is because the flow of weapons nearly stopped when congress changed from McCarthy. This is proof that they needed our help.
Ukraine. Ukraine. Ukraine.
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I find it funny that you are claiming that now obviously Ukraine was never winning and it was just propagamda bevause they are struggling now. Maybe that is because the flow of weapons nearly stopped when congress changed from McCarthy. This is proof that they needed our help.
At what point did anyone expect Ukraine to win?? It's never been about that. It's about stopping from being invaded in their own county . If Russia would call a cease fire and go home I'm 10000000% sure Ukraine would accept that and not try to invade Russia
Especially given that Ukraine, which was supposed to be rolled over in 48 hours, has fought valiantly. Do, after all this effort, we just give up and empower Putin to know that some of the other Eastern European states will not have the capability of Ukraine so they will be easy takeovers? Especially if the West shows a strong desire to just give up. What exactly would stop him?
Yep, sucks having to spend money we don't have. Doesn't suck nearly as bad as a dictator empowered by success.
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The lie we were told was that Putin, if he attacked, would have Ukraine wrapped up in less than a week.
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Didn’t we try the whole “just let Putin have a small piece” once and crossed our fingers that would satisfy him? I realize there were other strategic considerations in Crimea but that didn’t work out so well.
I’m not a Biden guy but the amount of ceap
People say about him and his presidency is just anti other side BS. If anything the last two weeks Trump has looked much worse mentally than Biden and that’s saying something.
He's talking about Donny and his gloomy economic outlook. Because during the Trump presidency he was writing love poems about the economy. He's right, though, there are contagions that could spread (commercial real estate, housing, sticky inflation) and the markets are reacting to how much free money they think they'll get instead of the actual health of the economy. I get that. But that was all true during the last two administrations as well. Maybe the potential problems are different now and there absolutely will be a recession in the next couple of years, but right now the American consumer is doing well. How did we get here from talking about how much we spend on aid to Ukraine? ANYWAY....
I’m not an economist and will never be one. I’m a math guy but economics hurts my brain. To many moving parts for me. And I will say after the 08 crisis and what caused that, I haven’t seen much to stop it from happening again. Hell it might have gotten worse over the last eight years. So I could easily see it imploding. And i get they were talking economics. I was just commenting in general about The far right/ more conservative side and how they see Biden compared to Trump. IMO while there are some on the left that are sunshine pumpers for Biden most that I know held their noses when voting for him and Hilary.
He's Chicken Littling.....to justify doing nothing to stop the re-emergence of Russia's Iron Curtain in Eastern Europe.
What you did say was....
When asked what those other avenues might be, you came up with.....
To be clear, you proclaim that there are other avenues to be done......and came up with none of those supposed avenues.
That's pretty danged close to saying do nothing.
We did in the 80’s. Why is it different now?
Yeah and look how well that turned out......
The USSR fell.
I actually said we could impose some sanctions with real teeth not the crap we have and that they are working around. I don't have all the answers and don't claim to.....you clearly don't either.....endless money throwing isn't it either.What you did say was....
When asked what those other avenues might be, you came up with.....
To be clear, you proclaim that there are other avenues to be done......and came up with none of those supposed avenues.
And we gave rise to the Taliban....then 9/11.....then a 20 year war that cost us trillions.
Let me get this straight you’re saying the fall of the USSR was a bad thing?
Modern day GOP... hurts my brain.
Not at all.....I'm saying throwing money at proxy wars historically isn't a successful strategy. But don't point to us funding the Afgan conflict as a great success because the back end was horrific. It's like hanging a banner for being up at the half in a championship game.