New NCAA Subdivision

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https://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa-propo...in-direct-athlete-compensation-145051537.html

In a letter sent to Division I members, and obtained by Yahoo Sports, Baker outlines a groundbreaking and radical change to the NCAA Division I athletics model, describing it as a “new forward-looking framework.”

According to Baker’s proposal, schools that choose to be part of the new subdivision — they can opt in or out — are required to meet a strict minimum standard rooted in athlete investment.

Members of the new subdivision will be permitted to strike name, image and likeness (NIL) deals with their own athletes — a significant move away from the current NIL structure.

However, the most impactful benefit of this new model is a framework in which schools can directly compensate athletes through a trust fund. Schools within the new subdivision will be required to distribute to athletes thousands of dollars in additional educationally related funds without limitation.

There is no cap on the amount of funds that a program can provide an athlete.

It is perhaps the single-most revolutionary concept introduced by a sitting NCAA leader in college athletics history.

Entry into the subdivision requires a school to invest, at minimum, $30,000 per year per athlete into what is termed an “enhanced educational trust fund” for at least half of a school’s countable athletes. Schools would determine when athletes receive the amount, which, for four-year athletes, will total at least $120,000. Schools must continue to abide by the framework of Title IX, assuring that 50 percent of the investment be directed toward women athletes.

The new subdivision will remain under the umbrella of the NCAA and its members will continue to compete for NCAA championships with others in Division I. Under the proposal, the NCAA maintains oversight of the existing national championship model across all Division I sports, except FBS football, which continues to operate under the rubric of the College Football Playoff, Baker writes in the letter.

Schools in the new subdivision would also gain control of decision-making around scholarship limits and countable coaches, the NCAA's way of handing major conference programs the freedom to increase the limits or do away with them altogether.

The model “gives the educational institutions with the most visibility, the most financial resources and the biggest brands an opportunity to choose to operate with a different set of rules that more accurately reflect their scale and their operating model,” he writes.

Baker’s model is an anticipated step toward the long-ballyhooed separation of the NCAA’s high-revenue producing athletic departments from their lower-resourced brethren. While all schools are eligible to join the subdivision, the proposal would likely force a formal split within the Football Bowl Subdivision of the Power Five, soon-to-be Power Four, conferences: the SEC, Big Ten, ACC and Big 12.
 
$30,000 per athlete per year sounds like a really high barrier to entry. Basically just puts all the bluebloods in their own division and lets them just beat each other up. Anyone else that can't foot that bill becomes irrelevant nationally. How many FCS schools get talked about on a regular basis? Also they would do away with scholarship limits? So we will go back to the system where teams will actively buy players to keep them from their rivals? Wasn't that the practice that led to scholarship limits in the first place?
 
$30,000 per athlete per year sounds like a really high barrier to entry. Basically just puts all the bluebloods in their own division and lets them just beat each other up. Anyone else that can't foot that bill becomes irrelevant nationally. How many FCS schools get talked about on a regular basis? Also they would do away with scholarship limits? So we will go back to the system where teams will actively buy players to keep them from their rivals? Wasn't that the practice that led to scholarship limits in the first place?
There are flaws everywhere in the proposal but hell, let’s do it and watch the crearion of minor league nfl. ‘I didn’t come here to play skool….”
 
$30,000 per athlete per year sounds like a really high barrier to entry. Basically just puts all the bluebloods in their own division and lets them just beat each other up. Anyone else that can't foot that bill becomes irrelevant nationally. How many FCS schools get talked about on a regular basis? Also they would do away with scholarship limits? So we will go back to the system where teams will actively buy players to keep them from their rivals? Wasn't that the practice that led to scholarship limits in the first place?
That's my takeaway too. They're putting it out there in the open now.
 
How many scholarship athletes do we have? At 200 that would cost 6 million a year. Do we have that much? Definitely gonna see schools dropping minor sports to afford this.
 
The figures include the following:

• 59 DI schools spend more than $100 million on athletics; another 32 DI schools spend over $50 million; and a whopping 259 spend less than $50 million, with half of those spending less than $25 million.

• On average, 1.8 percent of Power Five athletic budgets is subsidized by student fees while about 15 percent of budgets in the rest of the DI schools are funded by student fees.

• 98 percent of DII and DIII schools spend less than $20 million annually on their athletic programs.

“No one could possibly conclude that most of these schools make money on college athletics,” Baker writes.
 


According to this, there are currently 173,500 D1 student-athletes and 346 schools. That would average out roughly to 501 athletes per school. At $30,000 per athlete that would amount to around 15 million dollars per year just in NIL money and that is the minimum. That's before any other costs are accounted for. How many schools can spend 15 million dollars on NIL alone? 20? Maybe?
 
Schools in the new subdivision would also gain control of decision-making around scholarship limits and countable coaches, the NCAA's way of handing major conference programs the freedom to increase the limits or do away with them altogether.

The model “gives the educational institutions with the most visibility, the most financial resources and the biggest brands an opportunity to choose to operate with a different set of rules that more accurately reflect their scale and their operating model,” he writes.

There are 133 FBS programs and 69 in the Power Five. Schools sponsor different numbers of sports, some as few as 18 and others as many as 35. Athlete populations range greatly by institution, but a sensible average is around 350-400 athletes on some portion of a scholarship.

A school depositing the minimum of $30,000 each year per athlete for half of their athletes would spend about $6 million a year. Schools would not be required to deposit the same amount for each athlete. The model leaves that to the discretion of the institution.
 


According to this, there are currently 173,500 D1 student-athletes and 346 schools. That would average out roughly to 501 athletes per school. At $30,000 per athlete that would amount to around 15 million dollars per year just in NIL money and that is the minimum. That's before any other costs are accounted for. How many schools can spend 15 million dollars on NIL alone? 20? Maybe?
All of the SEC and B1G schools with the new tv contract "can" afford it.
 
Schools in the new subdivision would also gain control of decision-making around scholarship limits and countable coaches, the NCAA's way of handing major conference programs the freedom to increase the limits or do away with them altogether.

The model “gives the educational institutions with the most visibility, the most financial resources and the biggest brands an opportunity to choose to operate with a different set of rules that more accurately reflect their scale and their operating model,” he writes.

There are 133 FBS programs and 69 in the Power Five. Schools sponsor different numbers of sports, some as few as 18 and others as many as 35. Athlete populations range greatly by institution, but a sensible average is around 350-400 athletes on some portion of a scholarship.

A school depositing the minimum of $30,000 each year per athlete for half of their athletes would spend about $6 million a year. Schools would not be required to deposit the same amount for each athlete. The model leaves that to the discretion of the institution.
NCAA doing everything they can to keep the B1G and SEC from leaving.
 
https://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa-propo...in-direct-athlete-compensation-145051537.html

In a letter sent to Division I members, and obtained by Yahoo Sports, Baker outlines a groundbreaking and radical change to the NCAA Division I athletics model, describing it as a “new forward-looking framework.”

According to Baker’s proposal, schools that choose to be part of the new subdivision — they can opt in or out — are required to meet a strict minimum standard rooted in athlete investment.

Members of the new subdivision will be permitted to strike name, image and likeness (NIL) deals with their own athletes — a significant move away from the current NIL structure.

However, the most impactful benefit of this new model is a framework in which schools can directly compensate athletes through a trust fund. Schools within the new subdivision will be required to distribute to athletes thousands of dollars in additional educationally related funds without limitation.

There is no cap on the amount of funds that a program can provide an athlete.

It is perhaps the single-most revolutionary concept introduced by a sitting NCAA leader in college athletics history.

Entry into the subdivision requires a school to invest, at minimum, $30,000 per year per athlete into what is termed an “enhanced educational trust fund” for at least half of a school’s countable athletes. Schools would determine when athletes receive the amount, which, for four-year athletes, will total at least $120,000. Schools must continue to abide by the framework of Title IX, assuring that 50 percent of the investment be directed toward women athletes.

The new subdivision will remain under the umbrella of the NCAA and its members will continue to compete for NCAA championships with others in Division I. Under the proposal, the NCAA maintains oversight of the existing national championship model across all Division I sports, except FBS football, which continues to operate under the rubric of the College Football Playoff, Baker writes in the letter.

Schools in the new subdivision would also gain control of decision-making around scholarship limits and countable coaches, the NCAA's way of handing major conference programs the freedom to increase the limits or do away with them altogether.

The model “gives the educational institutions with the most visibility, the most financial resources and the biggest brands an opportunity to choose to operate with a different set of rules that more accurately reflect their scale and their operating model,” he writes.

Baker’s model is an anticipated step toward the long-ballyhooed separation of the NCAA’s high-revenue producing athletic departments from their lower-resourced brethren. While all schools are eligible to join the subdivision, the proposal would likely force a formal split within the Football Bowl Subdivision of the Power Five, soon-to-be Power Four, conferences: the SEC, Big Ten, ACC and Big 12.
in charge GIF
 
Let them have their little minor league, rest of us can go back to student athletes playing amatuer sports. There's about 12 schools total that can pull off what's in that proposal.
The FCS schools do seem to enjoy their system. Maybe we can let those programs go away and have more fun with an actual playoff where the participants aren't picked by corporations. Yea, we won't get the 4 and 5-star guys except for the occasional one but neither will anyone else. We would probably rule the new second-tier division since we are so good at finding guys and developing them.
 
Let them have their little minor league, rest of us can go back to student athletes playing amatuer sports. There's about 12 schools total that can pull off what's in that proposal.
With the new contracts wouldn't most of the SEC/B1G schools be able to pay that? I suspect that the numbers were not pulled out of the air but are a direct reflection of the new tv contracts.
 
With the new contracts wouldn't most of the SEC/B1G schools be able to pay that? I suspect that the numbers were not pulled out of the air but are a direct reflection of the new tv contracts.
I think you're going to see full on revenue sharing with the players before this proposal happens.

There is too much dead weight in both conferences and even with the money, they're in big big trouble. tOSU, Michigan, Oregon, Penn State will bury everyone else in that conference with the money they already have on top of the new money coming in. Same in the SEC for all but about 6 schools. In the proposal, there are mandatory minimums, not every institution is going to agree to them and when the break happens, things like the SEC or BIG go with it, will be an entirely new entity, a minor league NFL.

Honestly, this is the very tip of the iceberg of "why does X get the same amount as us when we're worth 3x 4x 5x as much."
 
What the players wanting revenue sharing don't get all the football tv money pays for all of the other sports.

There is a proposed bill in congress that would prevent players from ever being considered employees. Pretty sure it caps how much money a school can provide. That should help with how much they can get.
 
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