US continues to go backward...

[Bowers3]

That would be so cool!!!

Right!? Why don’t we all just do that? We could get rid of the public debt if we all just gave the US government a tax credit!

Hashtag balance sheets…

 

[HacklemanPoke]

I thought it went hand in hand with the message.

Sure if you think straight white married Americans are the gatekeepers of heaven and people with gage earrings and dyed hair are going to burn in hell.

 

[milehighpoke]

From Van Jones today (posted on Twitter and Facebook):

When we’re arguing about I.C.E., we’re not actually arguing about immigration policy. We’re arguing about legitimacy. And we’re doing it while watching two completely different movies…

I spent the last week really listening to the voices on all sides of this conflict. ICE agents. Protesters. Conservatives. Progressives. Undocumented families. Police Officers. Gov’t officials. Here’s the uncomfortable truth:

Each side thinks it is the reasonable one. Each side thinks the other side is lying or insane. And each side—at SOME level—actually has a point.

Conservatives see law enforcement under attack. Progressives see unchecked federal power running roughshod over neighborhoods. Same events. Totally different data sets and frameworks.

This outcome isn’t by accident. Algorithms are feeding us different videos, headlines and emotional cues. Again: we are not watching the same movie!

From inside the conservative worldview: If enforcement fails, we lose the country. Blocking ICE looks like blocking firefighters.

From inside the progressive worldview: If ICE overreach isn’t resisted now, authoritarianism becomes normal. NOT protesting feels like surrendering democracy.

Neither side is pretending. Both are reacting to real fears. But both are missing critical parts of the picture. Here’s a test of good faith when discussing the I.C.E. issue: Can you name the other side’s deepest fear in a way they’d agree is fair?

We can have constitutional enforcement and legitimate protest. Safety and freedom. But not if we keep letting social media trick us into believing the absolute worst about everyone who disagrees with us.

I don't think it's a stretch to say I'm one of the most "leftist" people on this board. I'm trying to see it from the other side, I really am. I'm not sure there's a day I wake up that I don't think "am I crazy? am I being manipulated by social media? Is trump really not that bad? Are we really not heading towards authoritarianism"?.

I just can't bring myself to understand the "we won't have a country if we don't deport every single immigrant" point of view. I do believe it's a very "real" fear people have, that's not based in reality.

We have ICE agents killing people, kidnapping people, raping people, busting down doors without warrants, racial profiling, etc. The Constitution is being violated on an hourly basis. That's not to mention the 10,000 other horrific things trump has done in the last 12 months.

So which is more likely? Our country falling because of immigrants, or because it's being systematically dismantled on purpose (as was laid out very plainly in P2025)?

Are my fears based in reality? Or am I crazy?

 

[osuwhit]

They aren't the same, but they are not as different as you seem to think. Funding of government vs benefits received are more complex than what you wrote.

The government allowing me to keep some of my own money vs the government requiring me to fund their programs with some of my money is different by definition of their own rules. Until they change the rules, a tax credit isn't comparable to a tax fund.

 

[GratefulPoke]

I think it's important to "zoom out" and remember that the United States has been a force for anti-fascism in the world especially during the 20th century. That we are still trying to live up to our founding principles. I think people are scared of the changes they see coming in the second half of this century. Donald Trump (Stephen Miller) conned a lot of people by hitting on those fears. It's not that MAGA doesn't have legitimate concerns, they just elected a wolf in sheep's clothing. I do very much believe we have a fascist executive branch right now.

But a fascist country? No. I believe if you think the US is a fascist country that your bar for fascism is too low. Ask an immigrant. They'll tell you one thing that annoys them most is how ignorant Americans are of how good we have it here.

As for being in "the middle," I just think social media has supercharged division. I've deleted all social media, I haven't "doom scrolled" in months and I can already feel the difference. It's just completely different than reality. So when my liberal friends talk down to conservatives or vice versa, I don't know it just irks me. People only have their opinions of other peoples opinions that have been filtered by an algorithm only meant to confirm beliefs.

I disagree that the US has been a force for anti-fascism in the world outside of World War II. We weren't even a force for anti-fascism right after the war, as we supported the fascist Fransisco Franco in the Spanish Civil War and he remained in power until 1975 when he died. We had a similar trajectory with Peron in Argentina. Fascism is not that common in world history, so I think it is important to take it seriously when it arises and when movements meet those criteria in word and deed, to treat them as they are.

You mentioned that only our executive branch is fascistic, but it would not wield the power it has without the supreme court giving it that power and more importantly republicans in congress falling in line every step of the way to bend to trump's will. Look at what they say, what they do, what laws they pass and what actions they support. Its nearly the entire republican party at this point.

 

[Rob B.]

Sure if you think straight white married Americans are the gatekeepers of heaven and people with gage earrings and dyed hair are going to burn in hell.

Do you even know who the woman in the picture is? Wow!

 

[GratefulPoke]

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