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[GratefulPoke]

A different perspective.

Is There a Link Between Mental Health and Mass Shootings?

Findings from the Columbia database help dispel the myth that having a severe psychiatric illness is predictive of who will perpetrate mass murder.

www.columbiapsychiatry.org

I disagree with this article. The author focuses on schizophrenia and psychosis when depression is one of the main causes IMO. Hopelessness and suicide are two hallmarks of depression. People commit suicide because they are depressed for one reason or the other.

Plus the author tries to blame a litany of other items, such as "violent video games" whose link to acts of violence has been thoroughly debunked.

 

[Propoke]

She was on his hit list. Im not sure you can question her character if she isn't saddened by the death of someone who wanted to destroy her career and probably would have been callous if she was the one shot instead of him.

With a couple of days to process the brutality of what happened I can say I don't feel overly saddened by his death. He in no way deserved what happened to him and I can't stress that enough but its hard to generate sympathy to the level I have seen others show when I know that if this were Rachael Maddow or Ezra Klein, Kirk likely would have showed sympathy early on (he wasn't a monster) but eventually would have been flippant about their deaths like he has shown he is capable of being.

Again he was a human being and no one deserves his fate-espically not in the very public way it happened. But he brought on and seemed to celebrate divisions in our society. He wasn’t trying to make the world a better place. I don't know that we are better off without him as a whole but there are a lot of people he tried to ruin and I can understand why they are relieved or happy that he is no longer there to torment them.

From what I’ve seen “hit list” is her words not his. Also, there’s a big difference between losing your career for something you believe and losing your life. I’m not saying people have to feel bad about his death, but you don’t have to trash a dead man’s character.

 

[Ryno]

Trump announced they caught the shooter.

Tyler Robinson, 22 year old, from Utah. Reports are his father "turned him in" to officials. FBI is setting up for a press conference.

 

[GratefulPoke]

From what I’ve seen “hit list” is her words not his. Also, there’s a big difference between losing your career for something you believe and losing your life. I’m not saying people have to feel bad about his death, but you don’t have to trash a dead man’s character.

The man trashed his own character by his own words and deeds.

The civil rights act was a mistake.

MLK was an awful person.

Men who lie with men should be stoned to death is "Gods perfect law"

He said someone should bail out the guy who attacked Paul Pelosi with a hammer.

Trans people should be treated like they were in the 50s and 60s.

The hate and division he stoked led to his own demise. Political violence is wrong, but it is a mistake to lionize the guy because he was murdered. He was an awful person in this life.

 

[cowboyinexile]

From what I’ve seen “hit list” is her words not his. Also, there’s a big difference between losing your career for something you believe and losing your life. I’m not saying people have to feel bad about his death, but you don’t have to trash a dead man’s character.

The author of the article had violence threatened against her. And you can say that's just her word but we all know how tolerant people can be on the internet. If it were her that were killed and not Kirk and the killer said he was taking put people on Kirk’s list, would you feel differently?

 

[Ryno]

"He was an awful person in this life."

I watched countless videos and interviews of Kirk and never came off as an "awful" person. He said a few controversial things... so many people have done the same, doesn't make them an 'awful' person. He did WAY more good things than the few bullet points you made. Way more. When you watch his interviews or debates with others who think differently, he was always polite and encouraged debate. Something we NEED in this nation.

 

[Polds4OSU]

So the right Wing radicals like proud boys, kkk, Europa etc are just crime fighters


EARHARDT: We have radicals on the right as well. How do we fix this country?

TRUMP: I'll tell you something that's gonna get me in trouble but I couldn't care less. The radicals on the right oftentimes are radical because they don't want to see crime. The radicals on the left are the problem.

Aaron Rupar (@aaron.rupar) on Threads

EARHARDT: We have radicals on the right as well. How do we fix this country? TRUMP: I'll tell you something that's gonna get me in trouble but I couldn't care less. The radicals on the right oftentimes are radical because they don't want to see crime. The radicals on the left are the problem.

www.threads.com

 

[PF5]

"He was an awful person in this life."

I watched countless videos and interviews of Kirk and never came off as an "awful" person. He said a few controversial things... so many people have done the same, doesn't make them an 'awful' person. He did WAY more good things than the few bullet points you made. Way more. When you watch his interviews or debates with others who think differently, he was always polite and encouraged debate. Something we NEED in this nation.

I agree that we need more debate/discussions in our country, I would never consider someone who made racist comments, homophobic comments, women degrading comments, meh attitude on gun deaths a good person...

 

[PF5]

 

[GratefulPoke]

"He was an awful person in this life."

I watched countless videos and interviews of Kirk and never came off as an "awful" person. He said a few controversial things... so many people have done the same, doesn't make them an 'awful' person. He did WAY more good things than the few bullet points you made. Way more. When you watch his interviews or debates with others who think differently, he was always polite and encouraged debate. Something we NEED in this nation.

You and I have very different definitions of polite I think. Anyone who advocates violence towards a subset of the population is not a polite person. Why do you feel like that is something you can overlook?

Douglas Murray is a polite conservative who is a good debater. He does not have anywhere near this level of baggage. Hell even Ben Shapiro is in another galaxy than Kirk. Charlie Kirk was emblematic of the worst impulses of the reactionary right and Christian Nationalism.

 

[Propoke]

The author of the article had violence threatened against her. And you can say that's just her word but we all know how tolerant people can be on the internet. If it were her that were killed and not Kirk and the killer said he was taking put people on Kirk’s list, would you feel differently?

I watched quite a bit of Charlie Kirk’s debates and podcast, and I felt he was a good man. He definitely wasn’t perfect but a good man. You’re welcome to your opinion of him, but it’s really not hard to understand that running down a dead man’s character is pretty pathetic.

 

[JTOSU]

I watched quite a bit of Charlie Kirk’s debates and podcast, and I felt he was a good man. He definitely wasn’t perfect but a good man. You’re welcome to your opinion of him, but it’s really not hard to understand that running down a dead man’s character is pretty pathetic.

I knew who he was but didn’t know much more about him until after this event. He definitely says provocative things, but does so in a way to engage young people to think and talk. Unfortunately, there are some that are afraid of debate and/or discussing sometimes uncomfortable items. And others that twist his words and make-up things he said that he didn’t.

I agree saying bad things about someone assassinated two days ago is pathetic and sad. I don’t know if he is a “great” person and I do think Trump and Vance are going a little overboard about him, but I do appreciate that he cared to engage young people about politics and challenge their thinking. He successfully used the Socratic Method to create lively debates on college campuses and that should be applauded.

 

[Ryno]

You and I have very different definitions of polite I think. Anyone who advocates violence towards a subset of the population is not a polite person. Why do you feel like that is something you can overlook?

Douglas Murray is a polite conservative who is a good debater. He does not have anywhere near this level of baggage. Hell even Ben Shapiro is in another galaxy than Kirk. Charlie Kirk was emblematic of the worst impulses of the reactionary right and Christian Nationalism.

When/where did he advocate violence?

 

[GratefulPoke]

When/where did he advocate violence?

He said that:
Kirk suggested that the Bible verse Leviticus 20:13, which endorses the execution of homosexuals, serves as “God’s perfect law when it comes to sexual matters.”

Then he (Kirk) added that people should have “just took care of” transgender people “the way we used to take care of things in the 1950s and 60s.” Let’s be clear about what that meant: the 1950s and 60s were not kind to transgender people. The “standard treatments” were lobotomy, shock therapy, and involuntary institutionalization. Police commissioners openly described queer people as “a cancer in the community” and promoted “vigilant detecting.” Violence was the norm.

Do you agree with those sentiments and think that they are polite and nonviolent?

 

[milehighpoke]

I've stated what I think about Kirk, and agree with many others on here about his character. Him being killed does not change that. I am not glad he's dead. It's a horrible situation all around.

What I'm more concerned about, now, is our "leaders" using this to stoke division and throw napalm on the fire. Look how every single respectable leader has responded, and then look at trump, vance, et. al. Just like J6, if trump had a shred of decency in him, he would tell people to mourn respectfully, stand down, be peaceful, and wait until more facts come out. Instead, he jumps on "it's the libruls!" before knowing anything.

If you can't see what they are trying to do, you are blind and/or just plain stupid.

Also ask yourself if you would be this upset if it was Maddow, Destiny, etc. You can lie to all of us on here, but perhaps have a little bit of introspection on the situation.

 

[OrangeFan69]

Rich people profit more when we go at each other.

 

[Polds4OSU]

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[Polds4OSU]

One of the bullet casings had " if you read this you're gay" carved into it

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[GratefulPoke]

The gunman is LDS, a registered Republican, son of a sheriff, that posted pepe the frog memes and dressed up as one for halloween. Also had become " more political" as of late per family members and engraved "bella bella ciao" " catch this fascist" and "if you are reading this, you are gay" on the bullet casings.

I gotta say I didn't think think this would be his typology, but it yet again is not super coherent

 

[Bowers3]

The gunman is LDS, a registered Republican, son of a sheriff, that posted pepe the frog memes and dressed up as one for halloween. Also had become " more political" as of late per family members and engraved "bella bella ciao" " catch this fascist" and "if you are reading this, you are gay" on the bullet casings.

I gotta say I didn't think think this would be his typology, but it yet again is not super coherent

I honestly think a lot of these people are "just want to watch the world burn" types.