US continues to go backward...

Was my sister's vet as well. He dogs are dead.
Are you implying he's not a good vet and killed them or something?

Explicit claims of causation rather than vague claims of correlation would be helpful. Say what you mean and mean what you say. I would want to assume anything one way or the other.

My personal experience with him is that he and his staff and other vets are skillful, caring, and professional in their dealings with me and mine.

Sorry to hear about your sister's dogs.
 
Are you implying he's not a good vet and killed them or something?

Explicit claims of causation rather than vague claims of correlation would be helpful. Say what you mean and mean what you say. I would want to assume anything one way or the other.

My personal experience with him is that he and his staff and other vets are skillful, caring, and professional in their dealings with me and mine.

Sorry to hear about your sister's dogs.

No. Her dogs died of things out of the vet's control. I just didn't want to leave anything open to why he "was" her vet after yesterday.
 
My whole point is that you're calling for it to stop now, because you obviously identified with the person killed. When it was Whitmer, Pelosi, etc. effing etc. it was "meh".

This has been coming for a long time, and whether you like it or not it's spurned on by the president of this stupid country. Look at his comments yesterday about the radical left.

I actually agree with you, and have been saying it for years. As have most "leftists". So spare me the righteous indignation.

Shit's going to get worse and worse. I suppose we should all buckle up and hope we have the leadership in place to get us through it.

I don't think I need to post on a message board to call it to stop. I've been saying it needs to stop for a LONG time. I just don't come here to post it. And no matter what I say, I personally can't change the outcome of what's happening. We all have to try to together

Yes. Kirk is someone that almost EVERYONE identified with in some capacity. I agree things are going to get worse, which is what I was saying about the awakening of the silent majority potentially happening, and that's horrifying.

It's disgusting on both sides of the aisle to celebrate the assassination, attempt of one, or even the harmful act against anyone. There are a lot of political figures I profoundly do not agree with. I'd never wish them dead.

I'm sorry that it took this instance for you and I to have this discussion. To be quite honest, I forget that these threads exist beyond the AV Sports thread. Some of the rhetoric happening just today in this thread is the definition of what is wrong. Everyone is trying to prove THEIR point instead of discussing THE point in a grown up manner.
 
If you took a time machine to the 50s and 60s and took a poll on what Trans People were, you'd have a poll that indicated not many people knew what a trans person was. Lets take a look at alleged lynching statistics. If lynching was the way we dealt with weirdos, we didn't encounter many or maybe folks in the 50s and 60s are not as violent as the words you've put in Charlie's mouth.


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Source: https://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/shipp/lynchingyear.html


Beatings? Probably some. LGTBQ are still beaten some in today's society.

Charlie didn't say that trans people should be harmed. Dealt with can mean a lot of different things. He could've meant beaten. He could've meant ignored. I'm confident he didn't mean lynched. As devote of a Chrisitan as he was, I seriously doubt he meant lynched.

Your take on Charlie quote is the second quote I've seen taken way out of context to fit a gross narrative.
I am not following the bolded part. Christians did virtually all of the lynchings around that time, right? Especially against black people. The KKK was an explicitly Christian organization.

You are correct that there was not really a cultural consciousness of trans people then as we have now. They were considered sexual deviants or mentally ill. The details on crime against them prior to Stonewall was difficult. This is a book about the violence folks in that community faced prior to Stonewall, when it became even the mildest aspect of culturally acceptable to come out in any way: https://www.counterpointpress.com/dd-product/indecent-advances/

He routinely called them abominations. The narrative fits with his own words that he constantly said.
 
Only one conspiracy out there deals with an actual motive that is plausible

1. Kirk ...as Pointed out earlier ...is an influencer for millions of young Republican voters

2. He used his platform over the last 3 weeks to push for a release of the Epstein files

3. He made bold claims if he got them he would release them 100% unredacted and name everyone

4. He harped on it so much that LAST WEEK MAGA became split over it and Laura Loomer said he had betrayed MAGA and stabbed Trump in the back

This has all been widely reported as it unfolded

Now the conspiracy is that someone who is VERY Power, VERY well connected and of VERY wealthy means took advantage of the Utah FBI Field office firings and leadership changes in the last few weeks as an opportunity to ensure Charlie stopped pushing his millions and of young voters toward seeking the truth on the Epstein files


And Lord knows that book is FULL of people on a Global level that could have taken advantage of that opportunity... including Govt level contacts across the US , Israel, UK and more we don't know of
@osuwhit This would be a huge escalation of mossad's activities and would indicate they are aware of american public opinion turning against them. I will need to see hard evidence before I link it.

For example, I think they were likely involved with epstein, but that is because there is no way that operation existed without one and likely multiple intelligence services being involved. Plus, Ghislane Maxwell's father is a known Mossad collaborator.
 
I am not following the bolded part. Christians did virtually all of the lynchings around that time, right? Especially against black people. The KKK was an explicitly Christian organization.

You are correct that there was not really a cultural consciousness of trans people then as we have now. They were considered sexual deviants or mentally ill. The details on crime against them prior to Stonewall was difficult. This is a book about the violence folks in that community faced prior to Stonewall, when it became even the mildest aspect of culturally acceptable to come out in any way: https://www.counterpointpress.com/dd-product/indecent-advances/

He routinely called them abominations. The narrative fits with his own words that he constantly said.

The lynching date fails to meet your claim.
 
@osuwhit This would be a huge escalation of mossad's activities and would indicate they are aware of american public opinion turning against them. I will need to see hard evidence before I link it.

For example, I think they were likely involved with epstein, but that is because there is no way that operation existed without one and likely multiple intelligence services being involved. Plus, Ghislane Maxwell's father is a known Mossad collaborator.

Public opinion has been turning on them for quite some time. I encourage you to listen to Charlie speak on Epstein/Maxwell/Israel, Charlie w/ Ben Shaprio, and Charlie with Megyn Kelly. There are time stamped tweets that say Charlie is afraid Israel will kill him.
 
Most chilling thing': Charlie Kirk's killer may have fled Utah aboard mystery flight

Just read about this retired FBI agent on Fox and looked up what they were talking about

Officials are facing questions for leaving open a Utah airport during a manhunt for a gunman who assassinated right-wing influencer Charlie Kirk.

Authorities neglected to close off airspace around the Provo Airport, about a 10-minute drive from Utah Valley University in Orem, where the 31-year-old Kirk had been speaking at a political event at the time of his shooting,

Speculation on social media has pointed to a private jet that left the airport shortly after the single shot that killed the conservative activist rang out," the publication reported. "Flight tracking data shows the jet left the airport shortly after 2pm and headed south towards the Arizona border before it disappeared from radars."

"It then reappeared on radars and returned to Provo roughly one hour after leaving the airport," the report added. "The jet in question has a registered owner in the Utah city of Lehi, according to FAA data seen by Daily Mail."

Retired FBI agent James Gagliano appeared Thursday morning on Fox News, where he speculated the assassin could have made their escape from the nearby airport.


"Was there preplanning?" he said. "Absolutely, you had to get access from the roof. This is the most chilling thing about this manhunt and got me most concerned in law enforcement. If you come off that roof, and I have seen the drone footage of this, there is open-air parking lot behind that building. It's spitting distance from I-15, a major artery and thoroughfare there. This is a big concern because this person within three to five minutes of that shot going off could have been in a vehicle, on his way out and miles and miles away."

 
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