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[Rob B.]

Kirk's assassination is a tragedy his speech does not justify violence. Period.

This opinion you are espousing is an unserious opinion at best, and is telling at worst. He said some very hateful things. Do you think any of these comments are hateful?

“I'm sorry. If I see a Black pilot, I'm going to be like, 'Boy, I hope he's qualified,”

"I have a very, very radical view on this, but I can defend it, and I've thought about it," he said. "We made a huge mistake when we passed the Civil Rights Act in the 1960s." He claimed that the law brought about a "permanent" bureaucracy which promoted diversity and inclusion. He also labelled civil rights leader Martin Luther King Jr "awful" and said he was "not a good person".

Kirk was adamantly against Juneteenth being declared a federal holiday. He stated that “anti-American” sentiment that supported “a neo-segregationist view” that aspired to replace Independence Day was the driving force behind the decision to move the date ahead.

In February 2024 he posted that ‘The Great Replacement’ was a "reality" and not a theory. It is based on the idea that undocumented immigrants are entering the US to replace white Americans

In March 2020, he used the phrase the "China virus" in an argument about border control with an accompanying clip of him giving a speech. It was adopted by Trump afterwards when referring to Covid.

"No, Israel is not starving Gazans," amid reports from humanitarian organizations to avert further starvation and famine in the region on July 28th.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1626747081275715585

Kirk proceeded to deadname Thomas, saying she is an “abomination to god” before adding trans identities are “against the natural law”

Still not "spewing hate".

I don't agree with many of his ideas, or yours for that matter, but I don't consider any of his or your core beliefs as spewing hate.

You guys are all about freedom of speech and demonstration, until the speech or demonstration doesn't align with YOUR beliefs, then it's "spewing hate".

 

[cowboyinexile]

Still not "spewing hate".

I don't agree with many of his ideas, or yours for that matter, but I don't consider any of his or your core beliefs as spewing hate.

You guys are all about freedom of speech and demonstration, until the speech or demonstration doesn't align with YOUR beliefs, then it's "spewing hate".

He did say transgenders should be taken care of like they did in the 50's and 60's. He seemed to be ok with gun violence as a result of his 2nd ammendment rights. He called the civil rights act a mistake.

He didn't deserve this but he wasn't George Will.

 

[osuwhit]

No they aren't. This conspiracy shit is wild. Why do they need to signal to the shooter when Charlie is going to sit there for 2 hours and talk? He's a static target to anyone. Nobody needs a "signal" to shoot in this situation. He isn't prone to get up and move around often in these situations

Okay, well if you say then.

 

[Bowers3]

Right now, on X at least, the ones calling for the most violence are foreign bots....and Elon Musk.

 

[pokefan_4]

Okay, well if you say then.

I think it's pretty common sense, Whit. He hasn't been dead for 24 hours and people already think it's a conspiracy? Give me a break.

 

[GratefulPoke]

Still not "spewing hate".

I don't agree with many of his ideas, or yours for that matter, but I don't consider any of his or your core beliefs as spewing hate.

You guys are all about freedom of speech and demonstration, until the speech or demonstration doesn't align with YOUR beliefs, then it's "spewing hate".

So saying trans people should be dealt with like they were in the 50s and 60s (beatings and lynchings) is not hate?

I do not know how one can come to that conclusion.

 

[osuwhit]

Maybe you could point out where you have been condemning the side that you support for the hate it spews. So easy to throw blame, much less easy to accept it for identical behavior. We are learning from our elected representatives. And they, generally, suck at being humans.

The fact is, at times he did spew hate. And of course there are many people on the left that do the same damn thing. Interesting that your post says that it is "claims" of spewing hate about him. But you removed the word "claim" when you discussed the left and just wrote "while spewing hate."

Gross hypocrisy indeed.

You got my point. Thank you.

 

[osuwhit]

I think it's pretty common sense, Whit. He hasn't been dead for 24 hours and people already think it's a conspiracy? Give me a break.

Take out the signals behind Charlie. Act like it was never mentioned.

There's supporting evidence it could be linked to Mossad. You don't have to believe it.

 

[pokefan_4]

Take out the signals behind Charlie. Act like it was never mentioned.

There's supporting evidence it could be linked to Mossad. You don't have to believe it.

provide the evidence then

 

[JTOSU]

So saying trans people should be dealt with like they were in the 50s and 60s (beatings and lynchings) is not hate?

I do not know how one can come to that conclusion.

Kirk called for lynchings? Where did you read that?

If he called for lynchings then yes that would be hate speech, but I think you may be falling for a misquote or outright lie on social media.

 

[osuwhit]

provide the evidence then

Start with some of his latest videos criticizing Israel. Some of his closest allies posted weeks ago that Charlie was afraid Israel would kill him. Trump and Netanyahu were both the post about the confirmed passing at the exact same time. A trained marksmen made that kill yesterday from 200 yds. Trained snipers hit that target 70% of the time. Who has an army of trained snipers? The whacko liberal kid who found his dad's dusty old rifle and climbed a building in broad daylight with thousands of people round doesn't hit that target on their best day. Ever.

Could be totally wrong.

 

[osuwhit]

Kirk called for lynchings? Where did you read that?

If he called for lynchings then yes that would be hate speech, but I think you may be falling for a misquote or outright lie on social media.

He didn't read that.

 

[steross]

We're not talking about a political party, we're talking about one human being who did nothing wrong except follow his personal beliefs while engaging peacefully with those who believe differently.

And I have witnessed equal hate from both sides and don't particularly care for any of it.

I mostly agree, but contrary to you, I feel a few times he said hateful things. Also, I don't know how to determine "equal" but what I do know is that old school republicans like I am (now called RINOs) did not typically spew like this. That is the change that has occurred. It is a good argument that dems were always bad and now the repubs are just doing it too. Either way, the divisiveness we now see is because of the change in the republican party that @pokefan_4 mentioned. That isn't blame, just how I see it. Things were stagnant and maybe good can rise from the bad. Who knows.

 

[GratefulPoke]

Kirk called for lynchings? Where did you read that?

If he called for lynchings then yes that would be hate speech, but I think you may be falling for a misquote or outright lie on social media.

He said in the video I linked, which you can watch, that trans people should be treated like they were in the 50s and 60s.

Did he come right out and say it? No. But we know how they were treated then. Beatings and lynchings.

 

[Rob B.]

So saying trans people should be dealt with like they were in the 50s and 60s (beatings and lynchings) is not hate?

I do not know how one can come to that conclusion.

He never said anything about lynching or beatings, you and Erin Reed just assumed it.

 

[Rob B.]

I mostly agree, but contrary to you, I feel a few times he said hateful things. Also, I don't know how to determine "equal" but what I do know is that old school republicans like I am (now called RINOs) did not typically spew like this. That is the change that has occurred. It is a good argument that dems were always bad and now the repubs are just doing it too. Either way, the divisiveness we now see is because of the change in the republican party that @pokefan_4 mentioned. That isn't blame, just how I see it. Things were stagnant and maybe good can rise from the bad. Who knows.

And that's fine, I don't have a problem with feeling he said hateful things a few times. Differing opinions about a platform/idea are healthy.

Saying the man spewed hate is just feeding the fire/division with uncivil emotion. I do have a problem with that, apparently.

 

[JTOSU]

He said in the video I linked, which you can watch, that trans people should be treated like they were in the 50s and 60s.

Did he come right out and say it? No. But we know how they were treated then. Beatings and lynchings.

So you added your own thoughts and made-up “lynchings”??

And we wonder why honest communication and political debate is hard for some.

 

[Rob B.]

So you added your own thoughts and made-up “lynchings”??

And we wonder why honest communication and political debate is hard for some.

Actually, he made up "beatings" Erin Reed put "lynching" in his head.

This Must Stop: TPUSA's Charlie Kirk Calls For Anti-Trans Violence "Like In The 50s/60s"

In the last year, calls for violence against transgender people have been on the rise. Increasingly, conservative leaders are more willing to make those calls. Charlie Kirk is the latest.

www.erininthemorning.com

 

[GratefulPoke]

He never said anything about lynching or beatings, you and Erin Reed just assumed it.

So you added your own thoughts and made-up “lynchings”??

And we wonder why honest communication and political debate is hard for some.

Y'all really cannot be this naive, right? Do you know what "inferring" a meaning is?

He could have said any decade in US history in that interview. He could have picked the 80s and 90s for instance when trans people were largely ignored. But he picked a time when they faced routine physical violence and the lavender scare.

Also, it is pretty rich that you of all people bring up honest communication @JTOSU . You have years of posting history demonstrating that you are not capable of that.

 

[Rob B.]

Y'all really cannot be this naive, right? Do you know what "inferring" a meaning is?

He could have said any decade in US history in that interview. He could have picked the 80s and 90s for instance when trans people were largely ignored. But he picked a time when they faced routine physical violence and the lavender scare.

Also, it is pretty rich that you of all people bring up honest communication @JTOSU . You have years of posting history demonstrating that you are not capable of that.

I know that you inferring a meaning does not mean he spewed hate.