UpGrayedd Double Dose
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Okay, I'll answer. Elon is doing all of this to further enrich himself. No one that is being intellectually honest will deny it, a la you to boys.
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That isn't how this works. The burden of proof is on the person making the claim, not the other way around.
What is proposed without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
But...but...burden of proof. Or is the left exempt?
Will this work as evidence? Or do you need Chuck Shomer to admit it?
FEMA halts migrant housing funds in NY after Musk’s criticism
The acting head of the federal agency responsible for responding to disasters says he’s suspending payments sent to New York City to house migrants and that staff who made them will be held accountable
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But...but...burden of proof. Or is the left exempt?
Will this work as evidence? Or do you need Chuck Shomer to admit it?
FEMA halts migrant housing funds in NY after Musk’s criticism
The acting head of the federal agency responsible for responding to disasters says he’s suspending payments sent to New York City to house migrants and that staff who made them will be held accountableabcnews.go.com
The “intellectually honest” don’t require proof. They will just fill the gaps as they see fit.
But...but...burden of proof. Or is the left exempt?
Will this work as evidence? Or do you need Chuck Shomer to admit it?
FEMA halts migrant housing funds in NY after Musk’s criticism
The acting head of the federal agency responsible for responding to disasters says he’s suspending payments sent to New York City to house migrants and that staff who made them will be held accountable
Did you read the article?
I'm happy to provide supporting evidence and it is easy to find. Musk through his companies has received at least $15.4 Billion in government contracts and an additional $4.9 Billion in subsidies. I think you would be hard pressed to find someone who has benefitted more from them.
If past behavior predicts future results, Musk will benefit financially from DOGE, likely in the name of new government contracts for AI tools or payment systems, but it could be something else too. One thing is certain: he will benefit.
I am not naive enough to think he is doing all of this for charity, since there isn't a single member of DOGE that is an accountant. How exactly does one do an audit without an accountant?
As a reminder, you still haven't answered my question or provided evidence for your claim. I'll ask again--do you think Musk and/or his companies will financially benefit from DOGE?
Lol, wut?
Show me documentation that Trumps net worth dropped. He "dontated his salary", but his businesses gained TONS of money. He created a rug-pull memecoin that not only netted him a disgusting sum of money, but allowed anybody to "donate" to it. He hocks cheap memorabilia every chance he gets (that's, by the way, not made in America).
You talk about policy? Name a policy that trump has to make groceries more affordable. Or housing more affordable. Why are dems held to this standard of "show me the policy!" when trump just has to say "eggs cost too much!", without any plan in place to fix that? I see the problem is that dems talk about policy too much, and it's too hard to understand for most people. People just want to hear politicians talk about things they care about, without actually putting a plan in place.
If Maga was so concerned about the national debt, they would have run trump out of the building. The self proclaimed "King of Debt" piled on to the national debt at levels almost never seen...before the pandemic. His tax cuts were a huge culprit, as were the first round of tariffs. He brought in *some money from the tariffs (about 1/750th of the national debt), and then turned around and gave a huge chunk (read: bought off) to farmers who were hurt by the trade wars. So MAGA is better at talking about the national debt, making people think they care about it. But they don't have a plan to fix it, ever.
If you don't like being called racist, stop doing racist things. Did you know, and this is true, I've never been called racist a single time in my life? If I was, I would take a long hard look at what MY behavior was that caused somebody to think that. Ya know, self reflection. You know what's racist? Telling Mexicans they aren't allowed in our country in the same breath as telling white South Africans they are "oppressed" and welcome to relocate here. Don't want to be called racist? Then call our your own people when they do racist things!
And your schtick of Biden being to old and frail to govern, while at the same time thinking trump is the bastion of health, is getting real old, real fast. Read an actual transcript of any of trumps speeches, any time he goes off script. I'm not defending Biden at all, I do think he was too old. Trump is 3 years younger than Biden. The problem is that damn near everything he says is insane, so we normalize it. Trump fans make excuses for him like "he's playing 3d chess!". No, he's not. He's a rambling old fool that is playing you.
Do you want to know what I think the problem is?
Dems have been playing the game by an agreed upon set of rules that Trump has &h!t on and lit on fire. There have been gentleman rules in place for a long time, but trump will not play by those. He is bending (maybe not breaking) every single rule that he possibly can to get what he wants. Dems have been feckless with their leadership. They should have shoved through a ton of things during bidens term, whether the right liked it or not. For one, codifying abortion. And legalizing marijuana at a federal level.
There is no "middle" anymore. The middle has shifted so far right that both Bushes, and probably Reagan, would be considered communists at this point. And that's because the dems are suckers. They've let it happen. My hope for the democratic party is that they stop being such wusses and start playing the same game the GOP has for years.
You want a "middle ground"? What you really mean is that you want one side to placate the other side. Tell me with a straight face that this country hasn't shifted right in recent history. Believing that people deserve healthcare and clean water is "socialism" or "communism" or whatever ism is the word du jour to scare you.
Dems are apathetic, that's a huge problem. They talk about change and do nothing, because it will take force and ruffling feathers. That's one thing trump is very good at.
And they need a propaganda arm equal to Fox. You talk about "squashing information"? Have you ever watched Jan 6th footage from Fox side by side with footage from what you like to call "the MSM"? Do that, and tell me about squashing things. And you like to crow about the MSM without realizing that Fox IS the MSM. And they have a unified message: Dems are evil, and everything in this world that's wrong is because of them. They won't compromise (read: they won't come to our side), etc. effing etc.
If you voted for trump this time around, you are MAGA. There is no more "conservative party". If that hurts your feelings, then tell your own party to fix it. Or own it.
You know what trump is doing really well in my eyes? Uniting dems and making them realize it's time to stop being apathetic. And that it's time to play by the same rules that MAGA has put forth. Time to fight instead of laying back and "hoping" it'll all be ok in 4 years. Time to call out racism, bigotry, and nazis even more. Because when you don't, it becomes normalized.
So I've said here before I love the idea of DOGE but am very cautious about the messenger.....
But the whole he is in it for the money stuff is like the least likely reason. He has publicly stated reasons that he has dealt with an how inefficient the workings are that he deals with. He bought X and knew he would lose money. I think this is a power thing way more than money and that's actually worse to me. He has generations of wealth if he lost 99% and just rode the interest. Meanwhile.....the people who are screaming he must be stopped are multimillionaires (who's families have connected jobs that make them millionaires) that make less than 200K ON BOTH SIDES. They all turn into the hedge fund manager level investors after they take office and they all need 2000 pages worth of the legislation to pass a bill to change the name of a highway in Iowa. Maybe Elon is a diabolical sociopath that wants meemaw's SS check or maybe the people that have set up the system where they spend trillions of dollars as directed by lobbyist annually and can't answer where/why/who/what about are a little worried.
Also the data access stuff is naive. We have been hacked enough times that we know about to know the horse is out of the barn there.....do you guys really think there isn't dozens if not hundreds of govt contractors that have access to the same info? Contractors with less resources and less talent? Why wasn't there members of congress worried then......because they were part of the machine not trying to fix it. Musk has the one of the largest internet companies in the world....the largest electric auto manufacturer.....provides rockets to NASA.....runs one of the largest social media platforms......I trust his security more than the lowest bidder that has been getting access to the same stuff (maybe not all the stuff but in pieces) for years.
We are 37T in debt. Massive radical sweeping changes must be made we are past scalpel and salve time.....it's hatchet and fire time. We grow almost 1T a quarter now due to the interest/spending. We cannot tax our way out of this it's going to take a series of massive moves to get out. Dramatically cut spending such that there is no deficit spending for like a decade, we have to be the world leader in a step change tech like AI, or a big good ol fashioned world war. It's gone too far it's going to take a reset button. Cutting this thing to the bare bones is the easiest path so let's get on it. Elon scares me......he doesn't scare me as much as 37T checks and balances didn't go away and won't overnight so let's use them but let's see where this goes. The one thing all of us know 100% will not work is continuing as is with 2000 page pork filled bills and an incompetent government.
The curtain is getting pulled back. The curtain desperately needs pulled back. I don't trust Elon or Trump as far as I can throw them but I'm not throwing the baby out with the bathwater yet.
UpGrayedd Double Dose
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I'm not on the left. I'm a registered republican. I also consider myself to be very conservative. However, while my views haven't changed, I'm sure most of you would call me a RINO, because you have to be a crackpot and/or conspiracy theorist to be considered conservative in today's republican party.But...but...burden of proof. Or is the left exempt?
Will this work as evidence? Or do you need Chuck Shomer to admit it?
FEMA halts migrant housing funds in NY after Musk’s criticism
The acting head of the federal agency responsible for responding to disasters says he’s suspending payments sent to New York City to house migrants and that staff who made them will be held accountable
I am against government waste and corruption, whether it comes from the left or the right. I just don't think Elon is doing any of this because of waste or corruption.
mugatu
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Yeah. If you read the article it explains what the payments were for and where the money came from. Hint, it was congress.But...but...burden of proof. Or is the left exempt?
Will this work as evidence? Or do you need Chuck Shomer to admit it?
FEMA halts migrant housing funds in NY after Musk’s criticism
The acting head of the federal agency responsible for responding to disasters says he’s suspending payments sent to New York City to house migrants and that staff who made them will be held accountable
How does this help US tax payers and how does this help reduce Inflation??
Trump just suspended enforcement of the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act, a key anti-bribery law signed by Carter in 1977. For 50 years, it stopped corporations from bribing foreign officials.
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Trump just suspended enforcement of the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act, a key anti-bribery law signed by Carter in 1977. For 50 years, it stopped corporations from bribing foreign officials.
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Trump just suspended enforcement of the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act, a key anti-bribery law signed by Carter in 1977. For 50 years, it stopped corporations from bribing foreign officials. Now, Trump is letting corruption run wild.
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Now Trump's border Czar this threatening to arrest FBI agents ...he offers no proof of any leaks f on the FBI, but says he "thinks" that is where they are coming from and that is enough for him to announce he will try to arrest FBI members
Trump’s border czar has accused the FBI of leaking info about upcoming ICE raids—and threatened to jail those responsible.
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Trump’s border czar has accused the FBI of leaking info about upcoming ICE raids—and threatened to jail those responsible.
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Trump’s border czar has accused the FBI of leaking info about upcoming ICE raids—and threatened to jail those responsible.
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Defense Secretary Hegseth booed and heckled by military families
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Defense Secretary Hegseth booed and heckled by military families protesting against DEI push
Last week, Hegseth wrote a memo in which he banned transgender people from joining the military and restricted the use of some learning materials in Defense Department schools.
www.nbcnews.com
mugatu
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That won't go anywhere, luckily, There's no way they get enough support for this to actually be successful and remove a judge.
I hope these judges aren't intimidated by acts like this and continue to support the Constitution.
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Yeah. Dems are playing checkers while Trump is taking a dump on the board.
It's funny. The argument is "we want more candidates from the middle" but when the dems nominate and elect the most moderate candidate since Clinton, he's branded as either a crazy super liberal or mentally incapable of dressing himself. Yet when moderates (i.e. Huntsman, Kasich) run for the republican nomination they are deemed too leftist to be a legitimate candidate. People are saying one thing but acting in a different way.
You are right-don't want to be called a racist stop supporting racist things. And don't try to change the narrative to "both sides do it" or "he didn't mean it that way!" Just full stop-if something is wrong speak up. If you try and waffle to defend it, then just own it and admit it's how you really feel.
mugatu
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If you read it, how was your takeaway "see its totally fraud and FEMA is paying NYC to put up illegals in 5* hotels"?No, I just linked it without reading it.
Who do you think I am? Polds?
If YOU read it, how did you miss this?
"The New York City mayor’s office said it received $81 million in payments from the federal government for immigration-related costs last week in two separate pieces — one of which was about $59 million, with $19 million for direct hotel costs."
The argument against Musk's tweet was that $59million was b.s..
Those who haven't been around this board very long don't know how many of us were Republicans until Trump completely changed what it means to be a Republican.
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