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Here’s what’s in Trump’s SAVE America Act the hill

Supporters say the measure would strengthen election integrity and restore trust in the voting process. But critics argue there is little evidence of widespread fraud and warn the requirement could make it harder for eligible Americans to vote.

Here’s what’s in the SAVE America Act:

Proof of citizenship to register

The legislation would require people registering to vote in federal elections to present documentary proof of citizenship that either includes a photo or is paired with government-issued photo identification.

The bill lists several acceptable forms of proof, including a valid U.S. passport, a military ID paired with a record showing a U.S. birthplace, and a government-issued photo ID listing the person’s place of birth.

REAL ID-compliant identification would also suffice in the handful of U.S. states that require proof of citizenship to obtain those IDs. Most states do not.


Applicants could also pair a government-issued photo ID with additional documentation showing citizenship, such as a certified birth certificate, a hospital birth record, an adoption decree showing a U.S. birth, a Consular Report of Birth Abroad, or a certificate of naturalization or citizenship.

The legislation also requires that states establish processes for resolving discrepancies in documentation. For example, people who have changed their name legally — after marriage or otherwise — could provide additional documentation or sign an affidavit to verify the name change.

States would also be required to create a process allowing applicants who cannot provide documentary proof of citizenship to submit other evidence of citizenship and sign an attestation under penalty of perjury. A state or local official would then be required to determine whether the evidence provided was sufficient.

As of now, applicants must attest to being a U.S. citizen, under penalty of perjury, but are not required to submit documentation in order to vote.

Photo ID to vote

The legislation would require voters to present valid photo identification to cast a ballot in federal elections.

Acceptable forms of ID include state-issued driver’s licenses, valid U.S. passports, valid military IDs and valid tribal IDs with a photo and expiration date.


Those who arrive at the polls without photo ID could still cast a provisional ballot but would need to present a valid ID within three days for the vote to count. Individuals may also sign an affidavit saying they have a religious objection to being photographed.

The photo ID requirement would also change the way voters cast ballots by mail. Those who submit ballots by mail would be required to submit a copy of their valid photo ID. Otherwise, they must provide the last four digits of their Social Security number, along with a signed affidavit saying they could not obtain a copy of their ID despite making reasonable efforts.

These requirements would not apply to certain military and overseas voters.

Today, there is no national photo ID requirement to vote, though many states individually require some form of identification.

Voter roll reviews for noncitizens

The bill outlines new steps for states to take to ensure only citizens appear on their voter rolls.

Within 30 days of the bill’s enactment, states would be required to submit their voter registration lists to the Department of Homeland Security, which would compare it against its Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements (SAVE) database, which is intended to track immigration and citizenship status.

Individuals flagged as potential noncitizens would be notified by their states and would be required to present proof of citizenship. If they cannot verify their citizenship status, they will be removed from the voter rolls.

States would also be permitted to use other sources of information, like state driver’s license databases and certain Social Security data, to identify potential noncitizens on their voter registration lists.

Penalties for election officials

The bill would impose new enforcement mechanisms related to citizenship requirements.

Election officials who register an applicant to vote without the required proof of citizenship could face criminal penalties under the SAVE America Act.

The legislation would also make it a crime for executive branch officials to knowingly provide material assistance to any noncitizens trying to register or vote in a federal election.

The bill looks to hold officials accountable by giving individuals the ability to file lawsuits against election officials who register voters without the required documentary proof of citizenship.

The federal government would also investigate people suspected of unlawfully registering to vote, and noncitizens found to have violated the law could face deportation proceedings.
 
Trump still has a lot of power unfortunately so I suspect they are going to figure out a way to ram this through.

My only hope is that it ends up hitting them more than they think. The shift in voters over the decades with more educated people voting democrat and presumably having passports while the rural and less travelled voter might get caught by this law more than they think.
 

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This is a pretty good breakdown on the constitutionality of—or lack thereof—The SAVE Act.


Excerpt:
So how large is the problem the SAVE Act claims to address?

To answer that, we can look at the Heritage Foundation’s Election Fraud Database. Heritage supports stricter election laws and supports the SAVE Act. If anything, its dataset is the most favorable one for those arguing that fraud is a serious threat.

The database spans from 1982 through 2025, a total of 44 calendar years. Over that time, it documents 1,513 voter fraud cases. Of those, 68 involved non-citizen voting.

Sixty-eight cases in 44 years.

That averages roughly 1.6 cases per year nationwide.

During that same period, Americans cast approximately 5 billion votes in federal, state, and local elections.

Even taking Heritage’s data at face value, 68 out of 5 billion represents approximately 0.00000136 percent.

That is the documented scale of non-citizen voting over more than four decades.

Now compare that number to the scale of the burden imposed by the SAVE Act.

Research indicates that roughly 21 to 22 million voting-age citizens do not have proof of citizenship readily available. Within that group, about 3.8 million citizens represent the most vulnerable subset for the SAVE Act: economically disadvantage adults who do not currently possess documentary proof of citizenship at all.
 
The simple fact that they've chosen to tie transgender issues to this bill just screams this isn't "just a voter ID bill"... Are people just really this stupid to fall for this stuff?
 
The simple fact that they've chosen to tie transgender issues to this bill just screams this isn't "just a voter ID bill"... Are people just really this stupid to fall for this stuff?
This goes back to mentality. As was mentioned in one of the videos in the psy of Trump thread, the Trump voters are not expected problems fixed. They feel "winning" when the people they blame are hurt more than they are.
 
The simple fact that they've chosen to tie transgender issues to this bill just screams this isn't "just a voter ID bill"... Are people just really this stupid to fall for this stuff?
On Sunday, I skimmed through what I thought was the most recent language in the bill. Admittedly, I quickly skimmed…but I don’t remember anything about transgender in the bill. What transgender issues are tied to this bill or included?
 
On Sunday, I skimmed through what I thought was the most recent language in the bill. Admittedly, I quickly skimmed…but I don’t remember anything about transgender in the bill. What transgender issues are tied to this bill or included?

To get a passport you have to list your gender at birth. That isn't something I heard. I applied for a passport recently and it states it on the application.
 
On Sunday, I skimmed through what I thought was the most recent language in the bill. Admittedly, I quickly skimmed…but I don’t remember anything about transgender in the bill. What transgender issues are tied to this bill or included?

To get a passport you have to list your gender at birth. That isn't something I heard. I applied for a passport recently and it states it on the application.
More than that. The GOP recently introduced amendments completely unrelated to election voting. It includes banning trans females from sports and bans affirming care.
 
But how is a separate bill banning biological males playing women’s sports related to the SAVE Act?

According to @TheMonkey it's in the same bill.

If I were to guess it's a poison pill because they know it won't pass but want to campaign on it in the fall. Because you know, that's what voting bills should be about.
 
According to @TheMonkey it's in the same bill.

If I were to guess it's a poison pill because they know it won't pass but want to campaign on it in the fall. Because you know, that's what voting bills should be about.
There is nothing I see in the current version of the SAVE Act that says that. I think that is misinformation.

@TheMonkey can you share where you are seeing that?
 
There is nothing I see in the current version of the SAVE Act that says that. I think that is misinformation.

@TheMonkey can you share where you are seeing that?
I’m not familiar with The Advocate, but they apparently report LGBTQ related news. Apple News and Yahoo News both included it in their feed. I did see separate reports on Twitter/X as well. https://www.advocate.com/politics/national/save-act-transgender-provisions

To bolster these reports, I did see Senator Schmitt yesterday announced his plans to do exactly this:

So, it in fact does not appear to be misinformation. It has been reported for at least a week that Trump was pushing for these amendments.
 
MAGA fighting voter fraud and transgenders in sports when the percentage of both are minuscule…
.00004 - .00009% and .002% respectively. And almost 30 states have restrictions for transgenders competing in sports.
 
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