Oklahoma State Question 836


Dead in the water… Oklahoma Secretary of State’s Office threw out nearly over 50,000 signatures. There seriously needs to be an audit of why this many signatures were thrown out. It could be legit, but with our state’s history of corruption and the MAGA stranglehold I wouldn’t be surprised if this is malicious.
 
So, SQ836 didn't get enough signatures, so it will not go forward. It was well short. If they do it next time, they better have funds to pay signature takers if sticking to a constitutional amendment. But there were enough signatures had it been for a state statute change. That will be good news to promoters of SQ843 to abolish homeowner property taxes. I think their petition is for statute change. It still hasn't been released for circulation.
 
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I think this could be a huge change for our state if it were to pass, but given the headwinds created by the legislature, I think it is unlikely.

This is just a ChatGPT summary because I couldn't find a great article about it.

I think it is a great idea. Would love to be able to just be an independent, instead of flipping my voter registration around all the time depending on who I find more important to vote for. The move to the middle would be great also.

Anyone against the idea?



What is State Question 836?​



This kind of system is sometimes called a “nonpartisan blanket primary” or “top-two primary.” Ballotpedia+2NonDoc+2




Legal Status & Process​


Initiative Process & Signature Gathering​



Judicial Challenges​


  • Opponents (including the Oklahoma Republican Party) filed a lawsuit claiming that SQ 836 is unconstitutional — particularly on First Amendment grounds (i.e. that it burdens the rights of political parties to associate and choose their own candidates). VoteYes836+4Ballotpedia+4NonDoc+4
  • On September 16, 2025, the Oklahoma Supreme Court ruled the petition is legally sufficient (i.e. it may proceed to signature gathering) and rejected the challenge as premature. The Court found that the “gist” (the summary description) was not misleading, and that it did not impose a severe burden on associational rights at this stage. NonDoc+2GableGotwals - Oklahoma Law Firm+2
  • The Court said that doubts about legal sufficiency should be resolved in favor of allowing the people’s initiative process to move forward. GableGotwals - Oklahoma Law Firm+1
  • However, some justices wrote separately (concurring/dissenting in part) expressing concern about the court’s role in judging constitutionality before a measure goes to the people. NonDoc
  • Also relevant: the Oklahoma Legislature passed Senate Bill 1027, which would limit the share of petition signatures from large counties. Opponents of SB 1027 argue it’s targeted to make it harder for SQ 836 to qualify; the courts have temporarily stayed parts of its application to SQ 836. GableGotwals - Oklahoma Law Firm+3NonDoc+3Oklahoma Voice+3

So as of now, SQ 836 has cleared the legal sufficiency hurdle and may proceed to gather signatures.




Arguments in Favor​


Supporters of SQ 836 advance several rationales:


  1. Expanding voter participation / enfranchisement
  2. Encouraging broader appeal & moderation
  3. Efficiency & fairness
  4. Constitutional protection for initiatives
    • The Supreme Court majority emphasized that the people’s right to propose constitutional amendments should not be hindered prematurely by legal challenges. GableGotwals - Oklahoma Law Firm+1



Arguments Against / Risks & Criticisms​


Opponents raise a number of concerns:


  1. Burden on political party associations
  2. Potential for same-party general elections / reduced diversity
  3. “Importing California” critique / change from status quo dynamics
    • Detractors have warned that adopting the California/Washington style system could shift political dynamics in ways unfavorable to conservative or mainstream parties in Oklahoma. Oklahoma Council of Public Affairs
    • They point out that in states with top-two primaries, outcomes sometimes become unpredictable and not aligned with majority preferences. Oklahoma Council of Public Affairs
  4. Practical concerns about implementation
    • The new law (SB 1027) limiting signature gathering from large counties is seen as a barrier, possibly intended to stymie the initiative’s success. Ballotpedia+3Oklahoma Voice+3NonDoc+3
    • There may be cost, administrative, and logistical issues in setting up a new primary model (e.g., voter education, ballot design, legal challenges down the road).
  5. Timing of judicial review / precedent issues
    • Some justices (in separate opinions) expressed concern about courts determining constitutionality of initiatives too early in the process (before the public has voted). NonDoc
    • Also, whether such a change would face federal constitutional scrutiny remains a possible future challenge.



Possible Impacts / Consequences​


If SQ 836 becomes law (i.e. approved by voters), potential effects include:


  • Primary elections become more open: all voters could participate regardless of party registration.
  • General elections might feature same-party matchups: e.g. two Republicans, two Democrats, or one independent in some races.
  • Smaller parties & independent candidates may face difficulties breaking through unless they can finish in the top two in the primary.
  • Campaign strategy would shift: candidates might focus less on appealing to the party base and more toward a broader electorate.
  • Voter behavior changes: possibly more ticket-splitting, more cross-party voting, or vote-switching.
  • Political balance risk: in some races, this system could lead to unexpected party results, especially in multi-candidate fields.
  • Legal challenges might continue: even if passed, opponents may challenge on constitutional grounds (both state and federal).
I think it's a great idea. Should go for POTUS as well.
 
So, SQ836 didn't get enough signatures, so it will not go forward. It was well short. If they do it next time, they better have funds to pay signature takers if sticking to a constitutional amendment. But there were enough signatures had it been for a state statute change. That will be good news to promoters of SQ843 to abolish homeowner property taxes. I think their petition is for statute change. It still hasn't been released for circulation.
Truly amazing that Oklahoma can get enought recreational weed signatures but not this...
 
Truly amazing that Oklahoma can get enought recreational weed signatures but not this...
The promoters of SQ788 initially failed to get enough signatures the first time around because they didn't have funds to run it as a constitutional amendment. Everybody thought doing it that way was the only way to keep the legislature from throwing it out or gutting it, if it passed. Anyway, for the second time around, they wised up and ran it as a statute change for fewer signatures required and barely got enough signatures from funds that only amounted to around $30,000. Their voluntary efforts were epic straight from the heart grass roots citizen ativism and should have a book written and a movie made about it.

Also amazing Oklahoma went so long without a successful petition to raise the state min. wage. Fortunately, the first try got enough signatures.
 
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