MustangPokeFan
Deputy
UNT gave that game away (with help from the refs). 21 Tulane points from turnovers. UNT more yards, more first downs, etc. but not much defense. I hope he gets a different DC at OSU. Refs directly gave Tulane 14 points!
Official - Eric Morris is the new OSU Coach!
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Interesting take. Besides the first drive and the late TD’s I thought Tulane completely outplayed them. They ate UNT’s OL alive.
Honestly, it was pretty clear he wasn't in but the review will say exactly what you said "no view down the goal line". So, one has to ask... how the hell is there not a camera down the line in the year 2025?
I see this from time to time and have the exact same thought. How does every pylon not have a camera? There’s 4 of them for god’s sakes.
Down the goal line wasn't necessary to get that call right. Replay CLEARLY shows the ball is loose as soon as Mestemaker hits the guy. Replay also CLEARLY shows Mestemaker has one foot touching the goal line with his body extending into the field of play when his head/shoulder contact the ball and ball carrier's arm. Unless Mestemaker's height is negative X feet tall, the ball is loose before it touches the plane of the goal line. It's geometry, physics and math, but it ain't rocket science. You consistently see in NFL games where officials use more than one view to determine a call - i.e. a front view shows when the ball came loose, a side view shows of a knee was down, and the two combined determine the call. A goal line view would have been ideal, but was entirely unnecessary to make that call.
Strangely enough, there WAS a down the goal line view on the same goal line for Tulane's 4th/goal QB sneak. What it showed me was the far side official signals touchdown when he has no idea whatsoever where the ball is. What you can see, though a fraction later, is Retzlaff"s helmet squarely atop the goal line and his arms (and hence the ball) are underneath him, obviously not in the end zone. Because it's a fraction later and he could have been pushed back some, I agree you couldn't use that view to overturn the TD call. But I THINK the TD call was bullsh#t because the far side ref, standing on the sideline, makes a call he couldn't possibly see from there.
I don't really care because it gets HCEMFM on full time duty in Stillwater more quickly. I just never expected a crew could make B12 officiating look awesome by comparison.
zone2poke
Sheriff
I thought the runner was stopped short, but the question is whether the refs had "indisputable video evidence." Easily fixed with a $20 goal line cam.
Except when it's not, as in my 2nd example. Still, as you say, they should have had one.
My point is they DID have "indisputable video evidence" they chose to dispute it anyway. The term "indisputable video evidence" doesn't mean it has to be from a single, perfectly-positioned camera - at least according to the NFL.
zone2poke
Sheriff
Anything short of a goal line cam is disputable. That's why they absolutely should have them in championship games. I think the problem is that any part of the ball just needs to touch the plane of the goal line for the play to be a touchdown. The ball does not have to cross completely. The ref was standing four feet away and he called it a touchdown. I didn't like the call, but there it is.
Anyway, it's over. I hope the American Conference learned something.
I’ve mentioned it before, but when it comes to replay the ACC gets it right. It’s been great during their games to watch the process in Charlotte and hear the discussions while they go through various camera angles.
