If we had lost I was 98 % through with him. Seems he is lost as was His team tonight. So frustrating to watch a team not drilled well, if at all.
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Okstatekerr
Marshall
As a former coach I tend to cut him some slack. We saw those things last year just couldn’t hit water if he fell out of a boat. You can run drills, watch film, and talk about strategy till you are blue in the face. Then they go out on the court and do the exact opposite. What is Lutz supposed to do? This team just has never gelled. You could blame it on the injuries early but something with these guys just isn’t clicking.
Chairman of the Board
Marshall
Vyctorious Miller had a good interview in the postgame. Seems like a good kid. They all say the right things, they just don't make it happen..enough.
Chairman of the Board
Marshall
I get what you're saying, but he is paid very handsomely to find a way. It's what seperates great coaches from the rest. It's still pretty early in his time here, and I still have high hopes--especially based on his recruiting class--that this program will be back.
BUT, there's nothing that looks worse on a head coach than a team who's biggest weakness is effort/lack of discipline.
There are veteran coaches all around in football and basketball getting fired…not because of resumes but because things don’t click for a year or two. It’s a completely revamped team. We can’t continue going down the constant rabbit hole of we have to be a final four team or fire the coach. It takes times to build. Eddie didn’t do it his first 10years, it took time. And the second final 4 was a team of old mature veterans…hence the Indiana football success story. We can’t be doom and gloom year after year because we lose some games
Of course you are, bring a former coach, know how to invigorate a team and people on the team to perform above ability. With past evidence of great basketball play, my wife would say, I sometimes cussed Eddie's court play and I did. With this portal error (era) I guess I need to "Curb my Enthusiasm"" . Guess I have to get my EM era under control.
Chairman of the Board
Marshall
I don't think anyone is saying it's final four or be fired, or is even suggesting he be fired.
I believe that the portal mentality of players causes them to not be as coachable. They have to want to get better. Thats what separates players. Talent alone won’t cut it unless you have talent like Cade or Marcus. Coaches need coachable players and those players are difficult to identify until you get them on the court.
Poke Skywalker
Ranger
It’s the HC’s job to motivate and sell. That means selling guys their role, how it betters the team as well as themselves. Defense, especially perimeter D, is mostly effort, hard work and want to.
Most of these guys have dreams of playing at the next level. There’s 3 great examples just down the road with the Thunder to point to, with Caruso, Wallace and Dort, of guys that aren’t and never have been elite offensive players. Those guys have made their name with D, and may not even be in the league without it. Shoot, Caruso averaged 8-9 pts a game in his career at A&M , but 4-5 assists and 2 steals per game, and now has spent almost 10 years in the league with a couple of championships. If I was Lutz, I’d trying to get some time with him to talk to the team and tell his story.
Also, you have 13 scholarships, I’d be designating 2 of those each year to guys who are going to get after people on the perimeter. Bring back defensive specialists. That’s something Eddie always had, even if you sacrificed a little offense from that one position, Melvin Sanders, Marcus Dove, Daniel Bobik etc.
zone2poke
Sheriff
100 percent. Presumably he has the skills to teach and motivate young men to play defense. Any coach who can't do that will also be a former coach after a time.
Heart Smiles
New member
As a program on a year to year basis Lutz has made progress. The current team would beat last year’s team. I suspect that Lutz team from next year would beat this year’s team. It is very hypothetical but for sake of discussion please show me that I am thinking through this in rose colored glasses.
Chairman of the Board
Marshall
I think that's a fair assessment.
We get caught up acting like he can make mid season changes and like he’s not after some top 50 guys. Our next years class is verrry talented with some potential NBA talent. I like the direction he’s going. He’s a defense guy. Like others have said you can’t snap your fingers and make guys faster or an 18yo more experienced. You only have 1-2 guys serviceable at each position. Roy screws up and you bring in IColeman then he makes 2 turnovers, well you don’t have anyone else. Have to bite some of the poison which Coach shows with his hands on his head many times. He’s as frustrated as we are. But remember this is technically year 1 for Coach.
But the doom and gloom comments after a loss are dangerous. We are better than that
But the doom and gloom comments after a loss are dangerous. We are better than that
The biggest challenge is going to be roster retention of eligible players and development. Building a core of players that are there for several years and complimenting them with veteran transfers should help with gelling.
I think the foreign pipeline is huge with this. Giving them life changing money somewhat on a discount in many cases changes their lives and provides both athletic and academic opportunities.
Guys like Parsa and Vuk seem to be very loyal & likable guys. Allowing them to come to the states, develop over a few years, make money, have fun and chase pro ball dreams is what the basketball American dream use to be.
Now it’s greedy ass handlers, dirty agents, selfish AAU circuits and lots of arrogant all-about-me narcissistic players. Elite US players dont care about team or winning, they care about 2 things….bad fadeaway 3 point attempts and $$$.
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