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[JTOSU]

So it’s your contention that all doxxing inevitably leads to the commission of crimes. That the sole and single goal of doxxing is to attack law enforcement.

Cool.

Wrong, but….cool.

By the way, nobody in this thread has mentioned disclosing the home addresses of law enforcement officers.

@GratefulPoke is correct. You are completely against law enforcement accountability.

Twist, twist, twist.

So you are going to squirm out of your dumb statements by saying you were not including home addresses in your definition of doxxing?

If you think doxxing is an answer to accountability you continue to be beyond cultish.

 

[CowboyJD]

Twist, twist, twist.

So you are going to squirm out of your dumb statements by saying you were not including home addresses in your definition of doxxing?

Show me a definition of doxing where disclosing home addresses publicly is an absolutely necessary element to the definition of the same.

To explain this in words you MIGHT understand (though I kind of doubt it):

Publicly disclosing a law enforcement officer’s home address might be doxxing (it might also be disclosure of previously published public records).

Not all doxxing of law enforcement involves disclosing a law enforcement officer’s (or anyone’s) home address.

You don’t get to define the meaning of words, DARVOboy

 

[Polds4OSU]

BREAKING: ICE attorney Adam Boyd resigns in protest, calling Trump’s mass deportation policies “morally indefensible.” Boyd says ICE is targeting families, asylum seekers, and longtime residents—not just criminals. via @newsweek

 

[steross]

So what may occur from doxxing?

What it seems you are saying is identifying Federal law enforcement officers should not be allowed because they might be harmed?

Even though the taxpayer pays their salary and has a legal right to know the names, positions and salaries of all civilian Federal employees, you think that right should be taken away for ICE due to the risk that a few people would not handle the information well and could cause real harm to others?

Now stay logically consistent and explain the right to bear arms?

 

[Polds4OSU]

Whistleblower claims Trump officials fabricated MS‑13 leader claims to frame Abrego Garcia​

A whistleblower and a former Justice Department official provided damning evidence Thursday of a Trump administration plot to frame Maryland resident Kilmar Abrego Garcia, 29, as a MS-13 gang leader.

The emails, provided to Congress by a whistleblower and seasoned DOJ veteran who's been with the agency for 15 years, claim that government officials sought to fabricate the narrative that Garcia was not an ordinary family man from Maryland, but an active MS-13 gang member who was in a position of power.


The Trump administration wrongfully deported Abrego Garcia to his home country of El Salvador in March where he resided in the Terrorism Confinement Center (CECOT), which is notorious for violating the human rights of inmates. White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt admitted Abrego garcia's ousting was an "administrative error" but maintained he was a violent criminal whose deportation was justified.


However, the emails, which were first obtained by The New Republic, say the 29-year-old was the target of a smear campaign that provided no evidence to support the government's claims. Eventually, the Supreme Court ruled that the White House must "facilitate the return" of Abrego Garcia so he can undergo trial—the father was just returned in early June but now faces human smuggling charges.


The eye-opening evidence was sent by Erez Reuveni who worked at the DOJ for 15 years before being abruptly fired over his dissent of officials' handling of the Maryland man's case. Abrego Garcia had been living in the US under a form of protected status granted by an immigration judge in 2019, who determined the 29-year-old's life would be in danger if sent back to his home country.

Reuveni formally submitted the complaint to the DOJ's inspector general and to the Senate and House judiciary committees on June 24, alleging that officials engage in egregious misconduct. One of the worst offenses was committed by the leader Emil Bove, an outspoken Trump ally.

Bove reportedly told agents they may have to flout court orders aimed at pausing hasty deportations, which were being made under the 1798 Alien Enemies Act, and tell judges "f--- you."

Later on March 31, James Percival, senior counselor to the Homeland Security Secretary, was debating with Reuveni and other top officials what allegations could be pinned on the 29-year-old. The emails revealed the list what officials of the DHS, DOJ and State departments were thinking of alleging against Abrego Garcia to quell concerns that the Trump administration wrongfully deported an innocent man, who recently confirmed that he was beaten and tortured while in CECOT.

Reuveni protested the ideas, claiming they would have stark legal consequences and create "very bad law." In response, the DOJ fired him.

 

[JTOSU]

What it seems you are saying is identifying Federal law enforcement officers should not be allowed because they might be harmed?

Even though the taxpayer pays their salary and has a legal right to know the names, positions and salaries of all civilian Federal employees, you think that right should be taken away for ICE due to the risk that a few people would not handle the information well and could cause real harm to others?

Now stay logically consistent and explain the right to bear arms?

If you are contending that doxxing is limited to names, positions, and salaries — then I have no issue. Many public employees have that information published. But you are intentionally limiting the definition of doxxing to fit your argument.

 

[Polds4OSU]

Trump calls for lighted warning system and alarms after deadly Texas floods​

President Donald Trump on Thursday expressed support for flood alarms in Texas and said he thinks “everyone’s doing a great job” responding to a disaster that has left more than 100 people dead and 170 people missing.

“After having seen this horrible event, I would imagine you’d put alarms up in some form, where alarms would go up if they see any large amounts of water or whatever it is,” Trump told NBC News’ "Meet the Press" moderator Kristen Welker in a phone interview Thursday.

Kerr County did not have audible flood alarms to warn residents.

Earlier this week, Gov. Greg Abbott bristled at a reporter’s question about who was to blame for the scope of the disaster and the deaths, saying "that's the word choice of losers."


Trump said Thursday that “nobody ever saw a thing like this coming” and that “this is a once-in-every-200-year deal.”

"It’d be easy to blame them. I wouldn’t blame them," Trump said. "I think from the standpoint of the future, you’d have to have some kind of an alarm and lighting system maybe."

Trump also defended Homeland Secretary Kristi Noem and the Federal Emergency Management Agency's response.

Trump has talked about possibly "getting rid of" FEMA. NBC News reported this week that Noem now requires that all agency spending over $100,000 be personally approved by her.

On Monday, FEMA officials created a task force to speed up the process of getting Noem’s approval, according to the reporting, which cited two people familiar with that unit.

"I don’t know anything about it," Trump said when asked about the reporting and whether that delayed FEMA's response.

"We were right on time. We were there — in fact, she was the first one I saw on television," he said. "She was there right from the beginning, and she would not have needed anything. She had the right to do it, but she was literally the first person I saw on television."

 

[OrangeFan69]

SMH. If you don’t think doxxing law enforcement is a bad idea…and what potential negative consequences that may have ….I don‘t know how to help you.

If you don't think law enforcement being held accountable for their actions is a bad idea and what potential consequences that may have... I don't know how to help you.

ICE agents are currently in the FA stage, they're moving into the FO out stage.

Also Trump is using Miller and/or Homan and leave them hanging out to dry; just like he's done with Ted Cruz, Mike Pence, Tulsi Gabbard, Rudy Guliliani and Elon Musk, etc. and leave them when it's convenient for Trump.

Homan and Miller are using the ICE agents and they will get stuck and screwed over as soon as it's politically convenient.

Everyone is a contractor and any true believers are applying heavy clown makeup either knowingly or unknowingly.

Running up on landscapers, guys laying tile and flower vendors masked with guns drawn and deporting them without contacting their families is weird behavior and I am not sure how to explain that to you.

 

[IronCodePoke]

But you are intentionally expanding the definition of doxxing to fit your argument.

Small change. Now, who does that describe?

 

[Polds4OSU]

Running up on landscapers, guys laying tile and flower vendors masked with guns drawn and deporting them without contacting their families is weird behavior and I am not sure how to explain that to you.

The video of them Tear gassing KIDS in the tomato fields yesterday was EXTREMELY hard to watch.

 

[JTOSU]

Small change. Now, who does that describe?

Who?
Cambridge dictionary for doxxing “the act of finding or publishing information about someone on the internet without their permission, especially in a way that reveals their name, address, etc”

Webster’s: “to publicly identify or publish private information about someone especially as a form of punishment or revenge”

International Encyclopedia of Media and Communication: “doxxing is the intentional revelation of a person’s private information online without their consent, often with malicious intent. This includes the sharing of phone numbers, home addresses, identification numbers and essentially any sensitive and previously private information such as personal photos that could make the victim identifiable and potentially exposed to further harassment, humiliation and real-life threats including stalking and unwanted encounters in person”

 

[OrangeFan69]

Doxxing is the FO of the FAFO mantra.

If you're serious about working in law enforcement in the United States, you don't look at procedures and training from ICE and DHS and go, "yup, all sounds legal, above board and how things should be done!"

ICE agents are leaving because it's a crap job and they're either psychopaths or enjoy being used as pawns.

 

[steross]

If you are contending that doxxing is limited to names, positions, and salaries — then I have no issue. Many public employees have that information published. But you are intentionally limiting the definition of doxxing to fit your argument.

And you are intentionally ignoring reality to make yours. Currently, we have masked avengers who refuse in any way to be identified. That is what MHP was referring to.

This is what milehighpoke wrote:

Since the ICE cowards want to hide their faces instead of standing behind their abhorrent actions, is there any way to find out who they all are?

Like a FOIA request or something of the like? Perhaps doxxing these nazi gestapo wannabes would slow them up a little bit...

You ignored sentence number one. You ignored sentence number two where he stated specifically what he wanted. You fixed on his hyperbolic sentence where he used nazi, gestapo, and doxxing and started with "perhaps" as if that was the only real point

Instead of being a reasonable person and seeing that the intent of the paragraph is to simply be able to find out who they are, you took one word and ran with it to the extreme of its definition to distract. The appropriate response to your obtuse distraction would be, "Ok, only the ones that actually want to be Nazis will be doxxed. That is what he said. All the others who don't have a desire to be a Nazi, just an FOIA request."

DARVO, as usual.

 

[Big Huck]

I feel like you guys are all saying the same thing and still finding a way to vehemently disagree about it, lol. No one wants violence, everyone wants accountability. Next question!

 

[HacklemanPoke]

Who?
Cambridge dictionary for doxxing “the act of finding or publishing information about someone on the internet without their permission, especially in a way that reveals their name, address, etc”

Webster’s: “to publicly identify or publish private information about someone especially as a form of punishment or revenge”

International Encyclopedia of Media and Communication: “doxxing is the intentional revelation of a person’s private information online without their consent, often with malicious intent. This includes the sharing of phone numbers, home addresses, identification numbers and essentially any sensitive and previously private information such as personal photos that could make the victim identifiable and potentially exposed to further harassment, humiliation and real-life threats including stalking and unwanted encounters in person”

So if someone google searches someone’s name say Coppy McCopperson and google returns that persons name, phone number, age and address. Then someone copies and pastes that information into social media and just posts it w no context or comments. Is that doxxing?

 

[OrangeFan69]

I feel like you guys are all saying the same thing and still finding a way to vehemently disagree about it, lol. No one wants violence, everyone wants accountability. Next question!

NO!
WE ALL WANT TO ARGUE!!

 

[JTOSU]

And you are intentionally ignoring reality to make yours. Currently, we have masked avengers who refuse in any way to be identified. That is what MHP was referring to.

This is what milehighpoke wrote:


You ignored sentence number one. You ignored sentence number two where he stated specifically what he wanted. You fixed on his hyperbolic sentence where he used nazi, gestapo, and doxxing and started with "perhaps" as if that was the only real point

Instead of being a reasonable person and seeing that the intent of the paragraph is to simply be able to find out who they are, you took one word and ran with it to the extreme of its definition to distract. The appropriate response to your obtuse distraction would be, "Ok, only the ones that actually want to be Nazis will be doxxed. That is what he said. All the others who don't have a desire to be a Nazi, just an FOIA request."

DARVO, as usual.

You have flown so far on the extreme that this is your second time defending/explaining bad things/ideas/statements.

No one has made any argument that law enforcement should be masked or not be accountable.

Your implication that publishing a home address is an extreme definition of doxxing is twisting logic.

I will go back to my original post. Doxxing of law enforcement is a bad idea. Which all reasonable person would agree. I will let you decide which side of reason you want to camp.

 

[steross]

I feel like you guys are all saying the same thing and still finding a way to vehemently disagree about it, lol. No one wants violence, everyone wants accountability. Next question!

 

[cowboyinexile]

I feel like you guys are all saying the same thing and still finding a way to vehemently disagree about it, lol. No one wants violence, everyone wants accountability. Next question!

 

[steross]

You have flown so far on the extreme that this is your second time defending/explaining bad things/ideas/statements.

No one has made any argument that law enforcement should be masked or not be accountable.

Your implication that publishing a home address is an extreme definition of doxxing is twisting logic.

I will go back to my original post. Doxxing of law enforcement is a bad idea. Which all reasonable person would agree. I will let you decide which side of reason you want to camp.

Maybe instead of going back to your original post, you will go to his so that you can understand it like the rest of us did.