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[CowboyJD]

Dude, she was sideways in the road while her partner was outside the car filming. She was quite obviously trying to block the path of the ICE vehicles.

The video shows 1 vehicle parked in front of her which had pulled up to make her move the vehicle. That's it.

Now somehow their were multiple ICE vehicles who were doing the same thing she was doing. The video doesn't lie.
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OMG! She wasn't merely observing and you know she wasn't.

Even if totally 100% true…..so what?

I am really wondering why you are so focused on her obstructing an ICE investigation and parking in the street.

Bowers asked you:

What did she do to warrant being shot to death?

Your response:

Absolutely nothing. I have never once condoned anyone shooting her for any reason. I'm simply saying she is not an innocent victim and if she hadn't put herself in that situation she wouldn't be dead.

It is very disheartening to see you willing to die on a hill of what she did or didn’t do when you yourself admit/believe that nothing she did warranted being shot to death.

And I want to again point out that if she didn’t do anything to warrant being shot dead….if there is no legal justification for that ICE Officer shooting her three times resulting in her death…..she absolutely is an innocent victim in the eyes of the law.

Why so much focus on the misdemeanor crimes she did or didn’t commit and so little (to no) focus, commentary, or concern on what even you state was an unwarranted killing? I really do not understand that.

 

[steross]

The video shows 1 vehicle parked in front of her which had pulled up to make her move the vehicle. That's it.

Now somehow their were multiple ICE vehicles who were doing the same thing she was doing. The video doesn't lie.
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I can’t say I have ever seen a still frame posted to claim about a video that wasn’t BS.

In the following video, 1:18, she moves (not parked) turning left, then waves other cars by (not blocking). She was killed within a minute of that.

Video: Videos Contradict Trump Administration Account of ICE Shooting in Minneapolis

An analysis of footage from three camera angles show that the vehicle appears to be turning away from a federal officer as he opened fire.

www.nytimes.com

 

[HacklemanPoke]

Dude, she was sideways in the road while her partner was outside the car filming. She was quite obviously trying to block the path of the ICE vehicles.

Then why were ice vehicles passing in front of her?

 

[Stillwater Townie]

Absolutely nothing. I have never once condoned anyone shooting her for any reason. I'm simply saying she is not an innocent victim and if she hadn't put herself in that situation she wouldn't be dead.

There are now hundreds of thousands of people like this woman. People who have been overly captured by the propaganda. I want them to know something. There are billionaires out there laughing at their ability to indoctrinate them to do their bidding. I guarantee you, somewhere in this nation and around this world, there are people who hate our nation, fueling this and laughing at their ability to control them and cause them to throw away their lives. They indoctrinate them with the media outlets they control. They brainwash them at Universities across this country, robbing students of balance in thought and ideas. Even paying them. I pray we all will one day wake up from this.

What is your far-right wing source for all this? Is it Info Wars? Natural News? Breitbart? Even paying them? How much $100, $1000, $10,000? Even more? And then billionaires laughing at being taken seriously and loving it? So, who are they? They need exposed and accounted for doing that. I hope that most billionaires aren't like that.

I suspect the bigger problem is too many ignorant, deeply gullible people are out there believing in Trump and his devoted talking heads, such as Alex Jones. Those two have surely said behind their backs, "I can't believe how ignorant and gullible people can be with the things I say. But, by golly, I'm going to milk them for all they're worth!"

I'm hopeful that the majority of people just want the government to please leave them alone without imposing insane policies upon them, while feeling free to go to bed at night without worrying they will wake up the next morning to find out that Trump has once again done something crazy that could endanger their well-being. How far gone in insanity must this country venture to before enough people act and vote like they really want that?

 

[steross]

Video: Videos Contradict Trump Administration Account of ICE Shooting in Minneapolis

An analysis of footage from three camera angles show that the vehicle appears to be turning away from a federal officer as he opened fire.

www.nytimes.com

And the “agent” that comes up to her vehicle yelling “get out of the f#<€ing car!” should be suspended also. Absolutely not how citizens should be treated by federal agents even if she was blocking them. That’s what caused her to flee, that inappropriate aggression.

 

[steross]

P.S. The most ironic thing to me is that for most of my life I have considered myself to be a staunch fiscal and social conservative. I also believe that pre-Trump the two of us probably would have agreed on most things. However, now I can't believe what is happening in our country. I keep thinking it is a bad dream, but I never wake up.

I am amazed how many people went from your positions to backing Trump so easily. And, it seems their attitudes toward their fellow man changed right along with it. So many “salt of the earth “ types now hardcore MAGA. I can’t get it. Trump seems like the last person they’d consider yet many are near worship of him.

 

[CptnQuirk]

I am amazed how many people went from your positions to backing Trump so easily. And, it seems their attitudes toward their fellow man changed right along with it. So many “salt of the earth “ types now hardcore MAGA. I can’t get it. Trump seems like the last person they’d consider yet many are near worship of him.

I think that there are a large number of people who identify as being in the middle. I can see where they would prefer to support conservative views instead of liberal views.

 

[Stillwater Townie]

Come on, Steross and others on here, don't be so naive. It's really not all that hard to understand why to get it. This is because Republicans have been quite successful at demonizing Democrats for what they allegedly believe in. For instance, Republicans say that Democrats think men can have babies. Or Democrats try to promote transgenderism by snipping the testicles off their newborn male babies or arrange sex change surgeries at schools. Trans for everybody as Trump said. It's utterly amazing what gullible people will believe in. But depend on Trump and Republicans to exploit it.

To go on, Democrats want porn in schools. Democrats want to ban all guns. Democrats are anti-God, satanic and hate America. Democrats rigged the 2020 election, so Biden won. Democrats love abortion and want more and more of it. Democrats want to protect illegal immigrants who are murderers and rapists. It just goes on and on like crazy. Republicans are better at getting across what they think Democrats supposedly believe in than Democrats themselves can. It translates down to all too many gullible people thinking, especially in the red states, that no matter how rough and downtrodden they have life under Republicans, that it can only be hellishly worse and crazier on earth if they vote for Democrats and allow them to rule.

 

[Baptiste]

ICE = gestapo

As somebody who lives in a country deeply marked by the Gestapo I couldn't agree more.

 

[Rob B.]

Come on, Steross and others on here, don't be so naive. It's really not all that hard to understand why to get it. This is because Republicans have been quite successful at demonizing Democrats for what they allegedly believe in. For instance, Republicans say that Democrats think men can have babies. Or Democrats try to promote transgenderism by snipping the testicles off their newborn male babies or arrange sex change surgeries at schools. Trans for everybody as Trump said. It's utterly amazing what gullible people will believe in. But depend on Trump and Republicans to exploit it.

To go on, Democrats want porn in schools. Democrats want to ban all guns. Democrats are anti-God, satanic and hate America. Democrats rigged the 2020 election, so Biden won. Democrats love abortion and want more and more of it. Democrats want to protect illegal immigrants who are murderers and rapists. It just goes on and on like crazy. Republicans are better at getting across what they think Democrats supposedly believe in than Democrats themselves can. It translates down to all too many gullible people thinking, especially in the red states, that no matter how rough and downtrodden they have life under Republicans, that it can only be hellishly worse and crazier on earth if they vote for Democrats and allow them to rule.

You are spewing the same crap that is said about AlL rEpUbLiCaNs ArE mAgA!

 

[steross]

I think that there are a large number of people who identify as being in the middle. I can see where they would prefer to support conservative views instead of liberal views.

Middle of what?

Trump isn’t meaningfully conservative. He adopts social conservative positions largely as a way to attract that base, not out of principle. From a policy perspective, federal spending is up 6% despite decimating the federal workforce, he frequently supports greater government intervention, and many of his positions run counter to free-market principles. As a billionaire, his approach to deals and tax policy disproportionately benefited the wealthy while adding significantly to the national debt. This doesn’t make him a traditional liberal—but it does mean he isn’t a conservative either.

Essentially, if you want to use the standard dichotomy of the liberal side and the conservative side the liberal side is weakened to the point of insignificance and the conservative side no longer exists. We have an authoritarian regime that does what he wants. That is the option right now, support it or resist it.

 

[steross]

You are spewing the same crap that is said about AlL rEpUbLiCaNs ArE mAgA!

See above.

All Republicans are not MAGA. Liz Cheney, Thom Tillis, Adam Kinzinger etc have stayed true to republicanism and avoided supporting MAGA.

But, if you support a Trump presidency, you are MAGA. We have never experienced a political movement that frankly states out loud that it sees others as the enemy and actively uses government to harm them. It does not accept the republicans I listed above as republicans. It dumped MTG like a rock for a policy disagreement. This isn't a "dip your toes in" type movement. You sort of have to choose it or not even if you want to pretend otherwise.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1971360380460130499

 

[PF5]

New video shows fatal Minnesota ICE shooting from officer's perspective NPR

…
Policing experts said the video didn't change their thoughts on the use-of-force but did raise additional questions about the officer's training.

"Now that we can see he's holding a gun in one hand and a cellphone in the other filming, I want to see the officer training that permits that," said Geoff Alpert, a criminology professor at the University of South Carolina.

The video demonstrates that the officers didn't perceive Good to be a threat, said John P. Gross, a professor at the University of Wisconsin Law School who has written extensively about officers shooting at moving vehicles.

“If you are an officer who views this woman as a threat, you don't have one hand on a cellphone. You don't walk around this supposed weapon, casually filming," Gross said.
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[steross]

 

[Rob B.]

See above.

All Republicans are not MAGA. Liz Cheney, Thom Tillis, Adam Kinzinger etc have stayed true to republicanism and avoided supporting MAGA.

But, if you support a Trump presidency, you are MAGA. We have never experienced a political movement that frankly states out loud that it sees others as the enemy and actively uses government to harm them. It does not accept the republicans I listed above as republicans. It dumped MTG like a rock for a policy disagreement. This isn't a "dip your toes in" type movement. You sort of have to choose it or not even if you want to pretend otherwise.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1971360380460130499

Yes sir, all Republicans are not MAGA and all Democrats are not Libtards. But each side likes to portray the other as such.

 

[Rob B.]

Words from retired journalis Mark Holmberg kind of explains what I have been arguing with you "she's an innocent victim" folks.

"Was it necessary for ICE Special Response Team member Jonathan Ross to fatally shoot anti-ICE activist Renee Good Wednesday morning?
I don’t think so. But I’m sure he’ll be cleared.
Did his scary dragging incident last June that left him with 33 stitches while trying to arrest a known criminal illegal immigrant motorist make it more likely for him to open fire when Renee Good drove her car into him?
It could be.
Should this seasoned military and ICE veteran have been reassigned to duty that didn’t involve potential contact with runaway drivers?
It’s a point to consider.
Should Renee Good have blocked the roadway - and ICE officers’ progress - with her car for four minutes while her wife filmed and participated with protesters clashing with ICE agents?
No.
Should she have backed up and then pulled forward into Ross when another officer came up and addressed her through her open window.
No. Absolutely not. Even her wife had to step out of the way.
I know I’m not going to change anyone’s mind.
The left says she’s an innocent victim and it’s Trump’s fault for unleashing federal forces in our communities.
The right says she caused her own death, assisted by the legions of agitators repeatedly interfering with agents doing legal roundups of illegal aliens.
Either way it’s a horrible, avoidable tragedy. Her family will live with it forever. So will Agent Ross and his family. Especially him.
Here’s why I’m chiming in:
THIS ROADWAY ACTIVISM MUST STOP.
Get the hell out of our streets.
Stop blocking cars and trucks with your bodies. Stop jumping on cars, breaking windows.
Stop using vehicles as barricades.
If you try to ram other citizens, police, federal agents, other vehicles, you should be arrested and charged with felonious assault with a deadly weapon and given a fat mandatory sentence. At least five full years in prison.
Our roads are not weapons or stages to be used to fight our culture wars.
You cannot block them.
I’ll repeat myself yet again:
YOU CANNOT INTERFERE WITH ANYONE ELSE’S FREEDOM OF MOVEMENT.
By doing so, you are violating one of our most basic rights: to freely move.
You are changing their destiny, no matter how infinitesimally.
We’re not just talking about stopping fire trucks, ambulances, school buses.
You cannot interfere with anyone’s progress.
THIS IS THE LAW!
Your protest cannot block roads, sidewalks - ANY PUBLIC SPACES - without a permit. (And you cannot protest on private or government property without permission.)
Our foreprotesters were aware of this and knew they would be arrested if they violated this foundational societal standard.
You didn’t see them fighting arrest when they did. They knew the risk.
Technically, if you deliberately force someone out of their intended path you are committing abduction and you should be charged as such. That’s a serious felony.
I’m sick of this shit.
It’s stupid, reckless, illegal, anti-freedom, hugely dangerous.
And deadly.
There are too many modern-day, punk-ass protestors and hysterical, violent activists who have no respect for the rights of others.
They think their beefs and agendas supersede our laws, our rights, basic decency and honor.
They piss on the memory of our great foreprotesters.
I’m not advocating that anyone else follows me, but here’s what I’m going to do:
If I see anyone blocking roads or sidewalks with an unpermitted protest, I am going to grab them by the ears and drag them out of the way, like their mothers should have done."

 

[GratefulPoke]

Ahh yeah, those "american" values we are all familiar with.

 

[GratefulPoke]

Words from retired journalis Mark Holmberg kind of explains what I have been arguing with you "she's an innocent victim" folks.

"Was it necessary for ICE Special Response Team member Jonathan Ross to fatally shoot anti-ICE activist Renee Good Wednesday morning?
I don’t think so. But I’m sure he’ll be cleared.
Did his scary dragging incident last June that left him with 33 stitches while trying to arrest a known criminal illegal immigrant motorist make it more likely for him to open fire when Renee Good drove her car into him?
It could be.
Should this seasoned military and ICE veteran have been reassigned to duty that didn’t involve potential contact with runaway drivers?
It’s a point to consider.
Should Renee Good have blocked the roadway - and ICE officers’ progress - with her car for four minutes while her wife filmed and participated with protesters clashing with ICE agents?
No.
Should she have backed up and then pulled forward into Ross when another officer came up and addressed her through her open window.
No. Absolutely not. Even her wife had to step out of the way.
I know I’m not going to change anyone’s mind.
The left says she’s an innocent victim and it’s Trump’s fault for unleashing federal forces in our communities.
The right says she caused her own death, assisted by the legions of agitators repeatedly interfering with agents doing legal roundups of illegal aliens.
Either way it’s a horrible, avoidable tragedy. Her family will live with it forever. So will Agent Ross and his family. Especially him.
Here’s why I’m chiming in:
THIS ROADWAY ACTIVISM MUST STOP.
Get the hell out of our streets.
Stop blocking cars and trucks with your bodies. Stop jumping on cars, breaking windows.
Stop using vehicles as barricades.
If you try to ram other citizens, police, federal agents, other vehicles, you should be arrested and charged with felonious assault with a deadly weapon and given a fat mandatory sentence. At least five full years in prison.
Our roads are not weapons or stages to be used to fight our culture wars.
You cannot block them.
I’ll repeat myself yet again:
YOU CANNOT INTERFERE WITH ANYONE ELSE’S FREEDOM OF MOVEMENT.
By doing so, you are violating one of our most basic rights: to freely move.
You are changing their destiny, no matter how infinitesimally.
We’re not just talking about stopping fire trucks, ambulances, school buses.
You cannot interfere with anyone’s progress.
THIS IS THE LAW!
Your protest cannot block roads, sidewalks - ANY PUBLIC SPACES - without a permit. (And you cannot protest on private or government property without permission.)
Our foreprotesters were aware of this and knew they would be arrested if they violated this foundational societal standard.
You didn’t see them fighting arrest when they did. They knew the risk.
Technically, if you deliberately force someone out of their intended path you are committing abduction and you should be charged as such. That’s a serious felony.
I’m sick of this shit.
It’s stupid, reckless, illegal, anti-freedom, hugely dangerous.
And deadly.
There are too many modern-day, punk-ass protestors and hysterical, violent activists who have no respect for the rights of others.
They think their beefs and agendas supersede our laws, our rights, basic decency and honor.
They piss on the memory of our great foreprotesters.
I’m not advocating that anyone else follows me, but here’s what I’m going to do:
If I see anyone blocking roads or sidewalks with an unpermitted protest, I am going to grab them by the ears and drag them out of the way, like their mothers should have done."

Do you really buy this drivel?

Where was the violence on the part of the protester?

The author closes his short essay by saying of someone is non violently blocking the road, he is going to assault them.

The supreme court has ruled multiple times one doesnt need a permit to protest. Its a first amendment right.

Do you support the author in curtailing the first amendment of people you dont agree with? Because it sure sounds like it.

 

[CptnQuirk]

Middle of what?

Trump isn’t meaningfully conservative. He adopts social conservative positions largely as a way to attract that base, not out of principle. From a policy perspective, federal spending is up 6% despite decimating the federal workforce, he frequently supports greater government intervention, and many of his positions run counter to free-market principles. As a billionaire, his approach to deals and tax policy disproportionately benefited the wealthy while adding significantly to the national debt. This doesn’t make him a traditional liberal—but it does mean he isn’t a conservative either.

Essentially, if you want to use the standard dichotomy of the liberal side and the conservative side the liberal side is weakened to the point of insignificance and the conservative side no longer exists. We have an authoritarian regime that does what he wants. That is the option right now, support it or resist it.

The Democrat and Republican parties are too far left or too far right to satisfy the large centrist democrat or republican in the middle, but those people are forced to choose one side or the other if they want to make a choice at all. That’s why I voted libertarian in the last reelections. I don’t like either party platform right now.

 

[steross]

Should she have backed up and then pulled forward into Ross when another officer came up and addressed her through her open window.

Biased load of crap.

Should a highly paid Federal Agent not identify himself, keep his face covered, walk up to a female motorist and yell “get out of the f#<€ing car!” That is what caused the incident. If he would have said, "Ma'am, you must leave or we will have to arrest you" then it is highly likely she would not have evaded.

If this guy wants to write a "let me gentle scold one agent then place all the blame on everyone but the agents" then I'm gonna call out his BS.

And, the agents are breaking our laws. When the leadership of our government quits hiring thugs, gets the agents in line, they stop firing into moving cars (TEN instances now), start treating people with respect, start respecting citizens when they say they are citizens as that is our current law, THEN I will agree with stopping people from protesting. Citizens do not have to carry proof of citizenship. Pulling brown people who are saying they are citizens off the street with no real evidence that they are not citizens to detain them for a few days must stop immediately.

But, all you big-domineering-Federal-Government-taking-over-our-lives people are going to have to deal with resistance from the freedom loving side of America. This is what our country is. We could have just paid the tax on tea like law-abiders and stayed a happy colony. NO!

Finally, the person driving the car that drug this agent the first time was a Guatemalan national who had molested a child in Minnesota. If they stuck with going after those people and not the green card people working at Target then they would have the support of nearly every American. But, they chose their fate. Resist.