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I’m now waiting for people to take back their happy birthdays to @Rob B.

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I'm late to the party. Happy birthday @Rob B.
 
It certainly shows she was complying with the command to "get out of here" that can be heard coming from an officer on the scene.
They certainly gave her that opportunity, which she ignored with a smile. Then it turned into "get out of the vehicle" which she also ignored and decided to go with her first option AFTER she and her partner did a little smack talk and the agent moved in front of her.
 
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And that is the problem. Trump sucks but he's better than [insert democrats in the public eye]. Your list has one guy who I think we all agree sucks, a failed presidential candidate whose biggest character defects in the eyes of some are her race and gender, a super progressive idealist who isn't taking corporate funds, and a middle of the road white guy. If you are saying a gen X D from Grand Island Nebraska and a millennial D from NYC are both unacceptable to you so you have to hold your nose and support Trump when their only common denominator is the D, who exactly do you think the party has that you will find as an acceptable alternative?

Happy birthday BTW! Its the political forum so in the spirit of this board may you have the birthday you deserve.

I don’t care that Harris is black woman. I listen to her speak and in no way is she fit to be the president.

On the flip side of the coin, we’re completely F’d on candidates too. JD wants to be Trump Lite. Cruz is a freakizoid owned by Israel. Desantis seems to have fallen off. Vivek is covered in cow dung.

I don’t have confidence anyone. Everyone is compromised dog :poop:. Where did the moderate liberals go? I’d vote for one asap..
 
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I stand by it.

Your honor, my client has recently seen videos and read reports of masked men who were not ICE or law enforcement and not identifying themselves, kidnapping and hurting people. The men in this video, who gave conflicting instructions, did not identify themselves, and had no reason or right to open her door and pull her from her car. 1 of them also pointed a gun at her while screaming and escalating the situation.

We ask more of our normal everyday citizens in these kind of situations than we do of "trained" officers with guns. She was supposed to handle herself in a calm, rational matter while being screamed at and a gun pointed at her head. But the gestapo? He gets a total pass because...he got dragged by a car 3 months ago.

She should still be alive and he should be a stain on the road.
 
Dems better put out the most perfect candidate the world has ever seen! Somebody that appeals to the left, right, and progressives. Also, not a woman. Or black. Or old. Or established. Or a socialist commie.

If not, we're just gonna vote for a guy who said he wanted to be a dictator and is one of the worst humans on the planet, and then blame it all on you for not bringing out political jesus! That'll learn ya!

Give me an effing break.

The double standard is staggering.
 
I stand by it.

Your honor, my client has recently seen videos and read reports of masked men who were not ICE or law enforcement and not identifying themselves, kidnapping and hurting people. The men in this video, who gave conflicting instructions, did not identify themselves, and had no reason or right to open her door and pull her from her car. 1 of them also pointed a gun at her while screaming and escalating the situation.

We ask more of our normal everyday citizens in these kind of situations than we do of "trained" officers with guns. She was supposed to handle herself in a calm, rational matter while being screamed at and a gun pointed at her head. But the gestapo? He gets a total pass because...he got dragged by a car 3 months ago.

She should still be alive and he should be a stain on the road.
The agent should face any normal consequences for the incident but certainly not a stain on the road.

No one should have ever been in that situation. This is not about immigration. It’s about punishing people who look and speak different.

One should ask themselves what is the first thought they have when they are standing in line and they hear a foreign language. If it’s “speak English” you’re on the wrong side and I guarantee it informs how you view yesterday’s incident.
 
They certainly gave her that opportunity, which she ignored with a smile. Then it turned into "get out of the vehicle" which she also ignored and decided to go with her first option AFTER she and her partner did a little smack talk and the agent moved in front of her.
Smack talks and conflicting orders within seconds of each other shouldn’t equal three rounds inserted into a body.
 
If you are looking for positive signs, the senate just checked Trump in Venezuela and the house just passed an extension to the healhcare credits. Maybe a few more will grow a spine out of self-interest and self-preservation.

I think though more and more will happen through the election at the end of the year. Its not going to go well for Trump and he will try to ignore the results, book it.

The question then becomes, what does everyone else do about it? I am not sure.
I can't take credit for this, but I did mention that writing to our Senators is what makes a difference.

I live in Indiana.
I wrote to Todd Young (R).
Todd Young is only 1 of 4 Republicans to vote to curtail Trump's actions in Venezuela.


Write your Senators. Write your representatives. Don't fly off the handle. Don't paint the other side as evil. Give practical, specific resolutions to issues you are seeing.

Beyond anything else, I wrote about how Mr. Young is my voice in the Senate, not Trump. I didn't even say I disagreed with Trump (even though I vehemently despise the man) - I only said that we can't let one man have this much power, because otherwise, what even is the Legislature for?
 
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