Umm we are better than TCU when it comes to conference titles. They have only shared the title once in their time in the Big 12.
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OSUinTX
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I am not part of the Gundy sucks clique, but your comment is a bit disingenuous seeing as how they played in the National Championship Game about a month ago...despite not winning the conference title.
The comment was specifically about conference titles though. It was also a miracle year for them that they are going to have real trouble repeating.
Brought it over from discord even. Can't see the forest from the trees.
I'm definitely not happy with 7-6 or with getting blown out by KState but sometimes stuff happens. Look at the CFP game for instance. Not every game plan is going to hit, sometimes a few bounces don't go your way and it snowballs, it's just football. The better team doesn't always win. That's why it's fun.
What I don't get is the flaccid whining.
Yes, we had a bad finish to the year. In response Gundy did the following things:
-Ran off some locker room issues and replaced them with good players
-Completly revamping the O-line strategy and run scheme
-Hire a guy that no one has heard of as DC because he was so impressive in interviews.
Basically everything that was an issue has been strategically addressed. I'm willing to see what happens. What else did yall want?
These are the same coaches that had us an inch away from the CFP and then beat Notre Dame and had TCU on the ropes.
What I don't get is the flaccid whining.
Yes, we had a bad finish to the year. In response Gundy did the following things:
-Ran off some locker room issues and replaced them with good players
-Completly revamping the O-line strategy and run scheme
-Hire a guy that no one has heard of as DC because he was so impressive in interviews.
Basically everything that was an issue has been strategically addressed. I'm willing to see what happens. What else did yall want?
These are the same coaches that had us an inch away from the CFP and then beat Notre Dame and had TCU on the ropes.
I agree completely except the one thing I wanted that did not happen was Dickey was retained. I don't understand that one however at least the disaster of a bunch of OL leaving did not happen as many expected would if Dickey was kept around.
OrangeFanatic2
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I'm willing to see how Dickey does with the change in run scheme, going to more gap. K State ran mostly gap scheme while Dickey was there, so will be interesting to see how that plays out.
I am more concerned with him playing favorites with who should be starting and his gruffness running people out of the program (assistants and players). If he solves those issues then he can be a great coach again. If not he needs to go.
Ha! I had a whole paragraph about Dickey but deleted it because I thought I was getting into tldr territory.
I expected him to be gone but he's obviously been put on notice so we'll see.
I think (and hope) that moving away from the zone scheme to gap scheme will have a huge impact and that is what he knows how to coach. That's what Kstate made a living off with him in charge of that unit churning out all conference and NFL lineman. That's the only thing that gives me pause at not feeling the same about him being retained. I think it's safe to say put up or shut up time has arrived.
TCU might have trouble being Bowl eligible next year, their roster is similar to 2021 for 2023.
I’m not a Dickey apologist, but in the back of my mind I do wonder if the guys he ran off were soft and if he gets his own 4th/5th year guys if we’ll be a lot tougher up front.
People also like to ignore that we had 8-10 starters per game out the back half of the year.
Soothsayer
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I think the criticism of Gundy stems from more than just last season and more than just from on-field performance.
Soothsayer
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How do you know the replacements are good players? How do you know o-line strategy and run scheme is "revamped"? He hired a D2 coach who ran a middling defense. There's still the same offensive coordinator (whose production is mediocre), still the same o-line coach (whose production is mediocre). It's also the same coaches that lost 6 of the last 7 games.
zone2poke
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The forest has 17 trees in it and only one of them is green.
We better hope 39 of our 44 players in the two deep don’t at least one game like the last 7 games.
I love it! Perfect example of negativity with no context. Thank you. Most of your questions were answered by Gundy himself in the thread your commenting in. Did you even listen?
I'll answer part one. Because there is film and stats and evaluations on all of the players that any of us can see.
Wilson- good at TU.
Stribling- leading receiver at WSU
Bruce-leading slot/returner at Iowa
Cooper-dominate LT in the Sun Belt
Johnson- made aware of him by an NFL scout.
Collins-ran for a thousand yards as a freshman in the Big 10.
And on and on. If you really wanted answers to those questions there are multiple sources of information for you. I'd suggest Feels Like 45 Podcast as a start. Hope that helps.
EdmondPoke
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He’s had quite a few 4 and 5 star prospects come through. More than we got before he came here. Some of them have panned out. Some of them have not. Some of the best players we’ve had here did not come with such high rankings.
This is really simple, and I’m struggling to figure out what you’re mad about. I’d much rather a coach recruit the types of players that fit his mold, both physically and mentally, as opposed to chasing the highest rated prospects he can sign. Highest rated by people who don’t get paid to coach or play the game, but by random folks on the internet who’ve been talking about it and posting about it long enough to somehow gotten some ‘street cred’ in the high school football world. People who actively drop player’s ranking because of who they commit to, or increased their rankings because of “bigger” offers that they’ve received. In other words, complete crap.
I’m not a Gundy apologist. I’ve been very vocal about issues I have with him, mostly when it comes to his coaching staff and sticking with people longer than he should. However, complaining about his recruiting is just stupid. He’s proven that he can identify players that fit his system and develop them to be big time college players. It’s also not like he killed the prosperity we enjoyed in recruiting before he came here… any relevance with high school players we enjoy now is because of him and his success. Yours is just a stupid take. Sorry.
