Christian Nationalism

This reminds me of a sermon I heard about once. Not really a sermon but a dramatization. It’s anecdotal bc I didn’t see it but was told about it by a pastor who heard about this. He said he had been preaching on Mathew 25. Specifically the parable about the king who tells the subjects away from me. You did not feed me when hungry. Give me drink when thirsty.

So the preacher preaches. Takes the next week off. For two weeks he doesn’t shave or shower. Finds old clothes and keeps them in his trash for two weeks. Goes out Sunday morning and runs dirt all over his hair face and hands. Gets dressed in the smelly filthy clothes and pulls a hoodie down over his unshaven face. Prior to service he goes to the front steps and w a cup to beg for change. He gets in peoples bubbles to make the unconfortable. Just grunts doesn’t ever make eye contact or look up. Sometimes lays across the steps. Any way service starts and it’s time for him as pastor to walk in and take the pulpit. But this Sunday he comes in the front door. Hoodie down head down. As he walks down the center aisle he starts peeling the layers of filthy smelly clothes keeping his head down. The hoodie was under a jacket and some oversized tshirts. He gets to the front, walks up to the sop step of the stage and sits down. Raises his head and removes the hood to his sweatshirt. They now know their pastor was the beggar. He dumps the cup on the ground for dramatic effect to reveal a little more than a dollar in change.

Silence from the entire sanctuary. He opens his Bible to Mathew 25 v42. Reads 42-45. Closes his Bible. Stands up and walks back out the center aisle. When he gets to the back doors of the sanctuary. He opens a door doesn’t look back and shouts “See you next Sunday.” Gets in his car and goes home.

Says he doesn’t know what happened after he left, but in the months and year that followed their pantry, local food/clothing outreach and prison ministry saw more growth than ever before in his ministry. And all bc of a sermon wo a word. He felt more kindness from the congregation.

Your post made me think of this bc our actions taking religion out of it reveal our heart. Christian, Muslim, Buddhist or atheist. We can spout spiritual words or kind words but our actions are what tell people who we are.
I had a prison ministry when I was in Mississippi. Technically, it was a ministry of my church, but I was the only one who always went. I did it twice a month for two and a half years, until I moved from Mississippi to Oklahoma. The last time I was there were tears. One of the congregation told me, “I know you care about us.” Me, “why do you say that?” “You were always here.”

I don’t know what it is, but there is some kind of ministry calling me after I retire from pharmacy and it will be to the underserved.
 
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I had a prison ministry when I was in Mississippi. Technically, it was a ministry of my church, but I was the only one who always went. I did it twice a month for two and a half years, until I moved from Mississippi to Oklahoma. The last time I was there there tears. One of the congregation told me, “I know you care about us.” Me, “why do you say that?” “You were always here.”

I don’t know what it is, but there is some kind of ministry calling me after I retire from pharmacy and it will be to the underserved.
There is no worship like prison worship.

1st time I went I was crapping down my leg. Get inside worship starts and my pastor friend nods at one of the singers and asks if I recognize the one on the end. I didn’t. He said. That’s the kid that blocked your layup from behind in the state tournament quarter finals. It was a true “get that weak shite out of here” sports center top ten moment. After service we were introduced and I asked him if he remembered that play. He just grinned real big hugged me tight and started retelling that play to his fellow inmates. Needless to say I was humbled in more ways than one that night.

If you move back to Oklahoma and are interested in prison ministry dm me and I can hook you up w my friend. He still goes. My other friend who humbled me on two nights has been released. Last I heard his life was turned around and no more problems.
 
There is no worship like prison worship.
There were two things that got me into prison ministry. The first was a prison minister who came to our church and said "I thank God I went to prison because if I hadn't I wouldn't have gotten saved." The second was a prison minister who ministered to death row inmates in McAlester, Big Mac. He told about the lack of pretense among the inmates, the honesty. They are who they are. "They light up right there in the chapel."
 
It's even worse than that. It's not just an identity fusion. It's a spiritualization of support for immoral leaders, a spiritualization of support for the party. Way back in summer 2016 I had a Facebook discussion with my pastor's wife. She made a statement on FB, "God can use Trump despite his flaws." I asked, "Why isn't that statement equally true of Hillary?" Her response, "It just isn't." My response, "Doesn't that make God less than omnipotent?" She never responded to that question.

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A favorite verse of the evangelical right is Romans 13:1 Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. But the authority here doesn't necessarily mean the person wielding the authority and authority can certainly be wielded falsely and inappropriately.
 
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P.S. where on earth do I fit now in that Venn diagram? I am a conservative Christian and a political conservative who no longer identifies as either evangelical or Republican specifically because of the conflation of the two.
 
P.S. where on earth do I fit now in that Venn diagram? I am a conservative Christian and a political conservative who no longer identifies as either evangelical or Republican specifically because of the conflation of the two.
Maybe this belongs in the religion thread, but honest question, what do you mean when you say evangelical? I have seen you post multiple times that you no longer identify as an evangelical, and I want to make sure I understand you correctly.

I belong to a denomination that would identify as evangelical, but whenever someone asks me about my beliefs I have never said I am an evangelical Christian, I simply say that I am a Christian. To qualify my "type" of Christianity has never crossed my mind. With that said I still believe that the tenets of evangelicalism are true. However, evangelicalism and Christian Nationalism are not the same. Christian Nationalism is not true Christianity and any "Christian", evangelical or otherwise, claiming that it is, is mistaken.
 
Maybe this belongs in the religion thread, but honest question, what do you mean when you say evangelical? I have seen you post multiple times that you no longer identify as an evangelical, and I want to make sure I understand you correctly.

I belong to a denomination that would identify as evangelical, but whenever someone asks me about my beliefs I have never said I am an evangelical Christian, I simply say that I am a Christian. To qualify my "type" of Christianity has never crossed my mind. With that said I still believe that the tenets of evangelicalism are true. However, evangelicalism and Christian Nationalism are not the same. Christian Nationalism is not true Christianity and any "Christian", evangelical or otherwise, claiming that it is, is mistaken.
There are generally four core beliefs to evangelicalism:

1. The primacy of scripture as the ultimate guide to faith and practice

2. Personal conversion, the necessity of being “born again”.

3. Salvation through Jesus alone.

4. Evangelism, the Great Commission.

My objection is that denominations that identify as evangelical have become overtly political and the two have become conflated. As I’ve also said, my core beliefs and values have not changed. I also still belong to a church that is evangelical, though you never hear politics from our pulpit.
 
There are generally four core beliefs to evangelicalism:

1. The primacy of scripture as the ultimate guide to faith and practice

2. Personal conversion, the necessity of being “born again”.

3. Salvation through Jesus alone.

4. Evangelism, the Great Commission.

My objection is that denominations that identify as evangelical have become overtly political and the two have become conflated. As I’ve also said, my core beliefs and values have not changed. I also still belong to a church that is evangelical, though you never hear politics from our pulpit.
Thanks for your answer and I agree in part. Many churches have become overtly political and I find it disgusting. I have also found that the pastors in those churches are more interested in fleecing the flock rather than feeding them, but I don't believe this problem is limited to evangelical churches. I would also argue that these churches aren't really evangelical despite what they may claim.

I recently moved and I had to look around for a new church home, because I refuse to attend a church that cares more about politics and Trump than they do about Jesus and the gospel message. Fortunately, I belong to a denomination where the local church is autonomous so it was easy to find a gospel centered evangelical church.
 
Thanks for your answer and I agree in part. Many churches have become overtly political and I find it disgusting. I have also found that the pastors in those churches are more interested in fleecing the flock rather than feeding them, but I don't believe this problem is limited to evangelical churches. I would also argue that these churches aren't really evangelical despite what they may claim.

I recently moved and I had to look around for a new church home, because I refuse to attend a church that cares more about politics and Trump than they do about Jesus and the gospel message. Fortunately, I belong to a denomination where the local church is autonomous so it was easy to find a gospel centered evangelical church.
What is important to me is a church that is reaching its community and I have certainly found that to be true in my current church.
 
Turning Point USA's alternative Super Bowl halftime show will be airing this Sunday on TBN—a troubling move from the global Christian network. Read RELEVANT publisher Cameron Strang's take why: https://relevantmagazine.com/curren...s-airing-on-tbn-this-sunday-how-is-this-okay/
Good article, I especially liked and agree with the last sentence: "If the Church cannot tell the difference between proclaiming Christ and promoting political identity, it should not be surprised when people stop trusting its witness altogether."
 
Good article, I especially liked and agree with the last sentence: "If the Church cannot tell the difference between proclaiming Christ and promoting political identity, it should not be surprised when people stop trusting its witness altogether."
It seems to me that TPUSA welcomes the most sinful and immoral to be associated with them as long as they are conservative and most of all are pro-life or in other words ban abortion.

TBN has never been the same since Paul and Jan Crouch died. They can never be replaced, especially the latter.
 
Pastor Jamal Bryant called out Pam Bondi after a “white evangelical nationalist” interrupted his church service.

On Feb. 1, the alleged agitator entered the New Birth Missionary Baptist Church to confront Pastor Bryant.

“A white evangelical nationalist pastor had the audacity — he and his wife — to get out of his car… and for propaganda and disturbance, filmed themselves coming into our church using hate speech,” Bryant said. “And since you are against places of worship being disturbed… When is the arrest warrant?”

 
Pastor Jamal Bryant called out Pam Bondi after a “white evangelical nationalist” interrupted his church service.

On Feb. 1, the alleged agitator entered the New Birth Missionary Baptist Church to confront Pastor Bryant.

“A white evangelical nationalist pastor had the audacity — he and his wife — to get out of his car… and for propaganda and disturbance, filmed themselves coming into our church using hate speech,” Bryant said. “And since you are against places of worship being disturbed… When is the arrest warrant?”

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Video has surfaced from an MLK weekend service where Victory Church (a mega church in Tulsa) hosted Andrew Sedra - an Islamophobe - who told the congregation he “came from the future” to warn them about “those who will come to butcher you in the name of Allah”.

He told the crowd to “fight” against Islam or they will become “a death civilization”.

 
The stated objection is morality. Evangelicals are boycotting tonight’s Super Bowl 60 halftime show featuring Bad Bunny because they claim the NFL’s entertainment decision is evidence of cultural decay — not business, not demographics, but depravity.

On Thursday, Rev. Franklin Graham said the NFL is promoting a “sexualized agenda.”

“Like most Americans, I’ve enjoyed watching the Super Bowl. But the halftime shows began pushing moral boundaries and have become more sexualized. This year, they’re having Bad Bunny perform. The @NFL leadership is pushing this sexualized agenda. Thank you, @TPUSA and @MrsErikaKirk for providing an alternative — ‘The All-American Halftime Show’ with the agenda of celebrating family, faith, and freedom!”

The charge is clear: sexualization, immorality, a corrupting cultural agenda.

The proposed solution is counter-programming produced by Ericka Kirk and Turning Point USA featuring Kid Rock as the “family-friendly” alternative. The show “for people who love Jesus” will be aired on Trinity Broadcasting Network — the largest evangelical television network in the country — and streamed on multiple conservative outlets at the same time the official NFL halftime show is airing.

This is where the wheels come off.

Kid Rock is not a Christian artist. He never has been. He certainly is not family-friendly. He is not being presented as a repentant sinner who abandoned a profane past. There has been no apology tour. No testimony of redemption. No “this is who I was, and this is who I am now.”

His career was built on vulgarity, shock, and sexual provocation. That is not speculation; it is his catalog. Evangelicals know this. They are not unaware of it. They are simply choosing to ignore it.

“Cruising through town in my jacked up truck
Eyes open ‘cause I’m scopin for a big butt slut
One that I can take straight back to my house
And have suck my dick and put my balls in her mouth.”

~ Lyrics from Kid Rock’s song entitled “Balls in Your Mouth.”

Kid Rock’s song “Cool, Daddy Cool” celebrates pedophilia, something the church is intimately familiar with, considering the vast number of preachers consistently in the news for sexually abusing children.

“Young ladies, young ladies
I like ‘em underage, see
Some say that’s statutory
But I say it’s mandatory.”

Choosing an artist who celebrates pedophilia right in the middle of the still unfolding scandal of the century is just bizarre.

Some Kid Rock defenders have waved this away by saying that his most disturbing lyrics are “old news.” But his pedophilia song — Cool, Daddy Cool — was released in 2001, only four years before the first official investigation into Jeffrey Epstein’s sexual exploitation of minors began in March 2005. What we now recognize as a systemic failure to take sexual exploitation seriously didn’t suddenly appear in the last decade. It was hiding in plain sight, normalized, joked about, minimized, and excused as “edgy,” “irreverent,” or “just lyrics.”

It isn’t “old news” — it’s revealing news.

And evangelicals’ willingness to overlook it — without repentance, without explanation, without even discomfort — exposes what this outrage was never really about.

Because if the concern were truly about sexualization, Kid Rock would be disqualified upon arrival.

If the concern were about moral influence, lyrics would matter more than politics.

If the concern were about protecting families and children, there would at least be an acknowledgment of the contradiction.

Instead, Kid Rock is embraced because he is politically aligned. He says the right things about Trump. He punches the right cultural enemies. He wears the right jersey.

And so an entire career’s worth of vulgarity and moral filth is quietly laundered into “family-friendly entertainment.”

The NFL is not a church. It is not a cultural evangelist. It is a global business trying to grow its audience.

Super Bowl 59 drew 127.7 million viewers in 2025. But the 2022 FIFA World Cup final drew roughly 1.5 billion viewers worldwide — 12 times the size of the Super Bowl audience. The Super Bowl has a lot of room to grow… it’s not platforming artists to shove them down our throats; it’s choosing the artists most likely to grow their viewership.

Bad Bunny is the most-streamed artist on Spotify globally. Nearly 20 billion streams in 2025 alone; 140 billion lifetime. Over 90 million monthly listeners. The most-streamed album of all time. A massive international audience the NFL barely touches.

The league’s decision wasn’t ideology. It was economics. The NFL is agnostic to culture.

Is bad bunny so dominant he is shaping culture?

Or, is he popular merely because he is giving culture what it’s clamoring for?

Evangelicals are deciding what art is “moral” not by content, not by repentance, not by transformation — but by political alignment.

Let’s be honest about what this really is.

Sexualized lyrics are not the problem. Vulgarity is not the problem. Moral impurity is not the problem. Those sins are entirely forgivable — even ignorable — so long as they are committed by the “right” people. What is truly disqualifying for evangelicals is not indecency, but ideological noncompliance.

In today’s evangelical culture war, morality is no longer measured by content, repentance, or transformation. It is measured by political alignment. And once politics becomes the moral compass, sin stops being something to be confronted and starts being something to be managed — excused when useful, condemned when inconvenient.

This moment isn’t about protecting families or preserving decency.

It’s about power — who gets a moral pass and who doesn’t. In this framework, art isn’t judged by what it says or what it celebrates, but by who is saying it. Sexualized content is tolerated when it serves the tribe. Sin is forgivable when it comes from allies. And “immorality” becomes a charge deployed selectively, not a principle applied consistently.

When morality becomes partisan, it stops being morality at all and becomes branding.

 
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