Bud Light Controversy Spreads to Target, Sending the Stock Lower

andylicious said:
Oh yes, you z’ers are showing your jeally flavors as well. Faux passiveness with a pinch of I wish I had thought of the jeally line
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For some reason, I heard this guy’s voice as I read your comment.
seth meyers GIF
 
In Genesis 19, God sends two angels disguised as men to Sodom, where the men of Sodom threaten to gang rape them. God then destroys the city with fire and brimstone.
  • God had already decided to destroy the city prior to this incident.
  • The men’s aggressive actions are preceded by lavish displays of hospitality from Abraham and Sarah (Genesis 18) and Lot (Genesis 19). These preceding accounts place the focus on the men of Sodom’s violent, disgraceful treatment of strangers.

"Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy." -Ezekiel 16:49
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  • Same-sex rape was a common tactic of aggression and humiliation in the ancient world. Gang rape is completely different from loving relationships based on consent, much less mutuality and commitment.

A parallel story in Judges 19 shows that the men of Sodom’s actions were not connected to sexual orientation.​

  • In Judges 19, a Levite and his concubine rest from their travels in the city of Gibeah (in the tribe of Benjamin). A foreigner living in Gibeah offers them hospitality, but "some of the wicked men of the city surrounded the house" and said, "Bring out the man who came to your house so we can have sex with him" (Judges 19:22).
  • The owner said, "No, my friends, don’t be so vile. Since this man is my guest, don't do this outrageous thing. Look, here is my virgin daughter, and his concubine. I will bring them out to you now, and you can use them and do to them whatever you wish" (Judges 19:23-24).
  • Horrifically, the men rape the man’s concubine to death. Their threat was to rape, and possibly kill -- not to have any kind of romantic encounter.
Don’t Ezekiel 16:50, 2 Peter 2:7, and Jude 7 mention same-sex behavior as part of the reason for Sodom’s destruction?
  • There are more than 20 references to Sodom and Gomorrah in Scripture after Genesis 19. Only two of them mention sexual sins at all.
  • Ezekiel 16:50 says, “They were haughty and did an abomination before me. So I removed them when I saw it." The word "abomination" (toevah) is used 117 times in the Old Testament - 111 of those uses have no connection to same-sex behavior.
  • 2 Peter 2:7 says that Lot was "greatly distressed by the sensual conduct of the wicked." This phrase is not a specific reference to same-sex behavior.
  • Jude 7 says that Sodom and Gomorrah "gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion." Some translations render this as "unnatural desire," but it literally means "different flesh" (sarkos heteras). This phrase likely refers to the attempted rape of angels, given that Jude 6 refers to the Nephilim of Genesis 6 ("the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their proper dwelling").
  • Out of more than 20 references to Sodom and Gomorrah in the rest of Scripture, none mention same-sex behavior as even part of the reason for Sodom’s destruction.

But haven’t Christians always understood the sin of Sodom to be same-sex behavior?​

  • No. That was not the original interpretation of the Sodom story, which dates back to the 14th century BC.
  • Isaiah 1 equates the sin of Sodom with oppressing marginalized groups, murder, and theft. Jeremiah 23:14 links it with adultery, idolatry, and power abuses. Amos 4:1-11 and Zephaniah 2:8-11 compare it to the oppression of the poor, as well as prideful and mocking behavior.
  • Other Jewish writings say God loathed the people of Sodom "on account of their arrogance" (Sirach 16:8) and punished them "for having received strangers with hostility" (Wisdom 19:15).

When did Christians start to interpret the story as being about same-sex behavior?​

  • No Jewish literature until the writings of Philo in the first century connected the sin of Sodom to same-sex behavior specifically. Even then, the same-sex reading of the story did not become the mainstream interpretation among Christians until the time of Augustine in the early fifth century.
  • The term "sodomy" was not coined until the 11th century, and even then, it was widely used to refer to all non-procreative sexual acts (including heterosexual acts), not same-sex relations specifically.
  • The earliest Christians read the Sodom story as a parable about inhospitality, arrogance, and violence, not same-sex behavior.

The Bible never teaches that same-sex behavior was even part of Sodom's sin.​

 
Polds4OSU said:
In Genesis 19, God sends two angels disguised as men to Sodom, where the men of Sodom threaten to gang rape them. God then destroys the city with fire and brimstone.
  • God had already decided to destroy the city prior to this incident.
  • The men’s aggressive actions are preceded by lavish displays of hospitality from Abraham and Sarah (Genesis 18) and Lot (Genesis 19). These preceding accounts place the focus on the men of Sodom’s violent, disgraceful treatment of strangers.


  • Same-sex rape was a common tactic of aggression and humiliation in the ancient world. Gang rape is completely different from loving relationships based on consent, much less mutuality and commitment.

A parallel story in Judges 19 shows that the men of Sodom’s actions were not connected to sexual orientation.​

  • In Judges 19, a Levite and his concubine rest from their travels in the city of Gibeah (in the tribe of Benjamin). A foreigner living in Gibeah offers them hospitality, but "some of the wicked men of the city surrounded the house" and said, "Bring out the man who came to your house so we can have sex with him" (Judges 19:22).
  • The owner said, "No, my friends, don’t be so vile. Since this man is my guest, don't do this outrageous thing. Look, here is my virgin daughter, and his concubine. I will bring them out to you now, and you can use them and do to them whatever you wish" (Judges 19:23-24).
  • Horrifically, the men rape the man’s concubine to death. Their threat was to rape, and possibly kill -- not to have any kind of romantic encounter.
Don’t Ezekiel 16:50, 2 Peter 2:7, and Jude 7 mention same-sex behavior as part of the reason for Sodom’s destruction?
  • There are more than 20 references to Sodom and Gomorrah in Scripture after Genesis 19. Only two of them mention sexual sins at all.
  • Ezekiel 16:50 says, “They were haughty and did an abomination before me. So I removed them when I saw it." The word "abomination" (toevah) is used 117 times in the Old Testament - 111 of those uses have no connection to same-sex behavior.
  • 2 Peter 2:7 says that Lot was "greatly distressed by the sensual conduct of the wicked." This phrase is not a specific reference to same-sex behavior.
  • Jude 7 says that Sodom and Gomorrah "gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion." Some translations render this as "unnatural desire," but it literally means "different flesh" (sarkos heteras). This phrase likely refers to the attempted rape of angels, given that Jude 6 refers to the Nephilim of Genesis 6 ("the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their proper dwelling").
  • Out of more than 20 references to Sodom and Gomorrah in the rest of Scripture, none mention same-sex behavior as even part of the reason for Sodom’s destruction.

But haven’t Christians always understood the sin of Sodom to be same-sex behavior?​

  • No. That was not the original interpretation of the Sodom story, which dates back to the 14th century BC.
  • Isaiah 1 equates the sin of Sodom with oppressing marginalized groups, murder, and theft. Jeremiah 23:14 links it with adultery, idolatry, and power abuses. Amos 4:1-11 and Zephaniah 2:8-11 compare it to the oppression of the poor, as well as prideful and mocking behavior.
  • Other Jewish writings say God loathed the people of Sodom "on account of their arrogance" (Sirach 16:8) and punished them "for having received strangers with hostility" (Wisdom 19:15).

When did Christians start to interpret the story as being about same-sex behavior?​

  • No Jewish literature until the writings of Philo in the first century connected the sin of Sodom to same-sex behavior specifically. Even then, the same-sex reading of the story did not become the mainstream interpretation among Christians until the time of Augustine in the early fifth century.
  • The term "sodomy" was not coined until the 11th century, and even then, it was widely used to refer to all non-procreative sexual acts (including heterosexual acts), not same-sex relations specifically.
  • The earliest Christians read the Sodom story as a parable about inhospitality, arrogance, and violence, not same-sex behavior.

The Bible never teaches that same-sex behavior was even part of Sodom's sin.​

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My goodness so many liberal biblical scholars to interpret the Bible for us, I’m sure this superior analysis is based on much study from the original texts. Your twisting of biblical narrative is wrong headed and more than a little disturbing that you believe this clap trap.
 
andylicious said:
My goodness so many liberal biblical scholars to interpret the Bible for us, I’m sure this superior analysis is based on much study from the original texts. Your twisting of biblical narrative is wrong headed and more than a little disturbing that you believe this clap trap.
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they funny thing is the story is damn near 4000 years old and it can be PROVEN the story and Bible teaching had nothing to do with the idea of homosexuality until 1600 years ago And you think I was the one who twisted the story.

The story was literally interpreted by the main stream Jewish Faith and even Christ Followers as NOT a homosexual thing until 400 years after the death of Christ. heck the term Sodomy wasn't tied to homosexual acts until 1000 years AFTER the death of Christ and 3000 years AFTER the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. It LITERALLY has been a story used for 2400ish years to show Gods hatred of oppressing marginalized groups, murder, and theft. adultery, idolatry, and power abuses, oppression of the poor, as well as prideful and mocking behavior and has only been used for 1600 ish years as a story against Homosexuality.

but it was the Modern world that twisted the story.....
 
Polds4OSU said:
they funny thing is the story is damn near 4000 years old and it can be PROVEN the story and Bible teaching had nothing to do with the idea of homosexuality until 1600 years ago And you think I was the one who twisted the story.

The story was literally interpreted by the main stream Jewish Faith and even Christ Followers as NOT a homosexual thing until 400 years after the death of Christ. heck the term Sodomy wasn't tied to homosexual acts until 1000 years AFTER the death of Christ and 3000 years AFTER the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. It LITERALLY has been a story used for 2400ish years to show Gods hatred of oppressing marginalized groups, murder, and theft. adultery, idolatry, and power abuses, oppression of the poor, as well as prideful and mocking behavior and has only been used for 1600 ish years as a story against Homosexuality.

but it was the Modern world that twisted the story.....
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So same sex rape isn’t homosexual sex? Who knew?
 
By the way the Bud Light revolt has now had an effect on what Costco is stocking. They got the Death Star today due to horrific sales
 
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