2024 Presidential Election

I was also curious about this, apperantly there was a follow up interview in 2021 on her:
 
I was also curious about this, apperantly there was a follow up interview in 2021 on her:
Here are some hard truths for people like Jess, and a lot of people on this forum.



"Dear Democrats,
There’s a hard conversation coming, friends. I’m here for it…so I will start it.❤️

49 of 50 states shifted right.
And Utah remained neutral-ish by a fractional percentage. Look at all those states, with all those people in them…living different lives in different ways and places. Maybe similarities amongst them but not sameness on any or every level.

The media is going to drag this out to try to soften the blow but Trump will likely get 312 in the electoral college.
76 million people.

It’s not only cynical but arrogant to assume the only reason for this is the ignorance or moral failings of those voters.
Are you not even going to consider that policies, reality, or predictability could have been some factors? THE FACTORS?

Are you not going to leave room for the possibility that all those people see and understand their reality rightly, are living it, learning from it…and can logically predict what happens if the trajectory remains the same? And they strongly object?

To be clear—there has been some pretty abhorrent **** normalized, AND I STRONGLY OBJECT.

Are you not going to entertain that votes were cast not out of rejection or hate of others but love and concern for those closest to them?
How come we can accept that a trans woman likely has the intelligence and agency to vote for their own self-interests but a conservative wife and mother is obviously voting out of fear, hate, or self-loathing?

Y’all don’t think mama bear is voting for her self-interests and those of her cubs? And she values and wants different things for them?

This is narcissism. It’s not all about you.

I know this will be noxious to assert but what if mama bears ARE voting for the common good but they define good differently?
Out of 76 million I would surmise that relatively small is the number of votes cast out of petty dislike or spite for others. I feel confident of this because the legal voting age is 18…not 11.

Huuuuge is the number cast because people are concerned for THEIR OWN safety, finances, children, communities, etc.
At what point will you entertain that it could be your own perspective that is askew? Or your own information that is errant?

What will happen to this “possible grievance” based grief when the grievances don’t materialize?

Will there be any dawning clarity when the “threat to democracy, neo-Nazi, fascists…” are just people trying to live and a man trying to lead?

You could even now be justified in questioning your sources. They lied.
And you believed them.

The candidate was always poor.
And they knew it.
The campaign was always hype.
And they knew it.
THE POLICIES HAVE BEEN HORRIBLE.
And they knew it.
The message was off.
And they knew it.

What was the alternative for people who could see this?? Not vote?

The landslide was the likely outcome.
AND THEY KNEW IT.
But they didn’t say that, did they?

Y’all, I knew it. And I know very little. But I knew enough to have a party with hor d’oevres. And I’m not doing charcuterie on faith. Not in this economy!! The data was there. If you didn’t see it, expand your circle of trust.

You may not be able to stop liars from lying but you can stop believing them.

I know this because our side has liars too and I have learned to filter, fact-check, or disregard them.

As long as you can only see this referendum as “what is wrong with them” and never consider “what did we get wrong?” you will remain wounded, shocked, and shattered.

There’s a hard conversation to be had about the media, the motivations, and liberalism run amok. Whether we wanted to or not, we’ve been subjected to this socio-economic experiment of the left and complicit right.
We didn’t like it.
And so we voted to end it.

It was not to harm you personally though it may help you corporately. I’ll understand if I don’t receive a “thank you” in the mail.

Sincerely,
Not sorry"
 
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That’s just another lie you’ve consumed completely. He’s been charged and found guilty of 34 felonies because of HIS OWN ACTIONS. Period stop with the projection 🤮
[DISCLAIMER: I HATE TRUMP AND AM NOT DEFENDING HIM]

The judge in the "hush money case" disallowed the testimony of the chair of the federal election commission because he was going to say that it wasn't a campaign contribution and therefore the entire case falls apart. And it was past the statute of limitations. There is appealable error after error. The case should never have been brought. I don't know if Merchan could throw out the verdict at this point or declare a mistrial, but I think he could, or sentence Trump to nothing. But I think if it makes it to an appellate court it will be overturned.

In the "fraud" case, there was no victim. The lenders didn't take the valuations at face value, they did their due diligence, as required. The lenders were paid all that they were owed. The fines were specifically intended to drain Trump of money to prevent him from campaigning. The questions on appeal is, would this case have been brought if it had been anyone other than Trump, and would the fines have been so large if the defendant had been anyone other than Trump? I think the answers are obvious and it will be overturned.

The documents case is never going to trial. The prosecutor was illegally hired. Biden did the same thing or worse (he was a Senator and took documents) and the only thing protecting him from prosecution is dementia. And yes, that is a tu quoque, but it's also true. For the sake of the country, this needs to go away and we need to do a better job of protecting our sensitive documents.

The Georgia election trial is a real sore spot with me, because as I have said many times, the reason why I am no longer a Republican is because of Jan 6. But, frankly, Fani Willis has screwed the pooch (and her prosecuting attorney) and this one is dead where it stands.

The lawfare failed. People saw through it and voted for him anyway. It in fact had the opposite effect and paradoxically made him more popular. You need to learn the lesson and stop with the "34 felonies" because if/when they are overturned you're going to have egg on your face.
 
[DISCLAIMER: I HATE TRUMP AND AM NOT DEFENDING HIM]

The judge in the "hush money case" disallowed the testimony of the chair of the federal election commission because he was going to say that it wasn't a campaign contribution and therefore the entire case falls apart. And it was past the statute of limitations. There is appealable error after error. The case should never have been brought. I don't know if Merchan could throw out the verdict at this point or declare a mistrial, but I think he could, or sentence Trump to nothing. But I think if it makes it to an appellate court it will be overturned.

In the "fraud" case, there was no victim. The lenders didn't take the valuations at face value, they did their due diligence, as required. The lenders were paid all that they were owed. The fines were specifically intended to drain Trump of money to prevent him from campaigning. The questions on appeal is, would this case have been brought if it had been anyone other than Trump, and would the fines have been so large if the defendant had been anyone other than Trump? I think the answers are obvious and it will be overturned.

The documents case is never going to trial. The prosecutor was illegally hired. Biden did the same thing or worse (he was a Senator and took documents) and the only thing protecting him from prosecution is dementia. And yes, that is a tu quoque, but it's also true. For the sake of the country, this needs to go away and we need to do a better job of protecting our sensitive documents.

The Georgia election trial is a real sore spot with me, because as I have said many times, the reason why I am no longer a Republican is because of Jan 6. But, frankly, Fani Willis has screwed the pooch (and her prosecuting attorney) and this one is dead where it stands.

The lawfare failed. People saw through it and voted for him anyway. It in fact had the opposite effect and paradoxically made him more popular. You need to learn the lesson and stop with the "34 felonies" because if/when they are overturned you're going to have egg on your face.

I'm not going to get in a legal tit-for-tat with you as I'm not very knowledgeable on this type of law. But, I will say that I have read other opinions on these that conclude the opposite of what you are trying to say. To be honest, we sort of live in a post-truth world. The "truth" that people see is the "truth" they want to see.
 
Here is another thing that is gonna tick a bunch of folks off. The felon card was way overplayed. He screwed a porn star and everyone knew he had done it. Everyone knew he paid her off. The felonies are checks and they padded stats the way they convicted him. He is a felon like Martha Stewart is a felon not like Jeffery Dalhmer. He did it. He was convicted. That isn’t up for debate and I’m not trying to. I’m saying when you are the party that paid a foreign firm to create a dossier with misinformation in it and nothing happens it’s a bad look when you go after a guy for something that happened before he was elected the first time for election interference. Your motives are transparent. Again not wanting to fuss about the case I’m telling you why 20 million in the middle of the political spectrum left your candidate.
[DISCLAiMER: I AM NOT DEFENDING TRUMP]

NDAs themselves are not crimes. People sign NDAs every day. I've signed them myself. People acting like an NDA is "hiding something" are fools.

The claim was that the payments were illegal campaign contributions because they came from a third party and the intent was to keep her quiet so that he could win the election. The counter claim was that she was essentially blackmailing him and that it was a payoff to keep Melania from finding out. Either way, the NDA was ineffective and the world knows and it has cost Stormy a lot of money. But there are a couple of problems the New York case, and the first is, falsifying a business record in New York is a misdemeanor and not a felony. So, in order to make it a felony they had to bootstrap the campaign violation. The second, falsifying the business record was past the statute of limitations. The third is the judge disallowed the testimony of former chair of the FEC Bradley Smith who was going to say it wasn't an illegal campaign donation. But even if he had been allowed to testify he wouldn't have been allowed to comment on the question directly, but only on campaign finance law in general, whereas Cohen (who is not an expert in campaign finance law) was allowed to do so and draw specific conclusions.
 
I'm not going to get in a legal tit-for-tat with you as I'm not very knowledgeable on this type of law. But, I will say that I have read other opinions on these that conclude the opposite of what you are trying to say. To be honest, we sort of live in a post-truth world. The "truth" that people see is the "truth" they want to see.
All I can say is, we'll see. I've been wrong before, and I'll certainly be wrong again. i was most definitely wrong in my analysis of what was going to happen in the election on Tuesday. What I'm right about is that the lawfare failed.
 
Here are some hard truths for people like Jess, and a lot of people on this forum.



"Dear Democrats,
There’s a hard conversation coming, friends. I’m here for it…so I will start it.❤️

49 of 50 states shifted right.
And Utah remained neutral-ish by a fractional percentage. Look at all those states, with all those people in them…living different lives in different ways and places. Maybe similarities amongst them but not sameness on any or every level.

The media is going to drag this out to try to soften the blow but Trump will likely get 312 in the electoral college.
76 million people.

It’s not only cynical but arrogant to assume the only reason for this is the ignorance or moral failings of those voters.
Are you not even going to consider that policies, reality, or predictability could have been some factors? THE FACTORS?

Are you not going to leave room for the possibility that all those people see and understand their reality rightly, are living it, learning from it…and can logically predict what happens if the trajectory remains the same? And they strongly object?

To be clear—there has been some pretty abhorrent **** normalized, AND I STRONGLY OBJECT.

Are you not going to entertain that votes were cast not out of rejection or hate of others but love and concern for those closest to them?
How come we can accept that a trans woman likely has the intelligence and agency to vote for their own self-interests but a conservative wife and mother is obviously voting out of fear, hate, or self-loathing?

Y’all don’t think mama bear is voting for her self-interests and those of her cubs? And she values and wants different things for them?

This is narcissism. It’s not all about you.

I know this will be noxious to assert but what if mama bears ARE voting for the common good but they define good differently?
Out of 76 million I would surmise that relatively small is the number of votes cast out of petty dislike or spite for others. I feel confident of this because the legal voting age is 18…not 11.

Huuuuge is the number cast because people are concerned for THEIR OWN safety, finances, children, communities, etc.
At what point will you entertain that it could be your own perspective that is askew? Or your own information that is errant?

What will happen to this “possible grievance” based grief when the grievances don’t materialize?

Will there be any dawning clarity when the “threat to democracy, neo-Nazi, fascists…” are just people trying to live and a man trying to lead?

You could even now be justified in questioning your sources. They lied.
And you believed them.

The candidate was always poor.
And they knew it.
The campaign was always hype.
And they knew it.
THE POLICIES HAVE BEEN HORRIBLE.
And they knew it.
The message was off.
And they knew it.

What was the alternative for people who could see this?? Not vote?

The landslide was the likely outcome.
AND THEY KNEW IT.
But they didn’t say that, did they?

Y’all, I knew it. And I know very little. But I knew enough to have a party with hor d’oevres. And I’m not doing charcuterie on faith. Not in this economy!! The data was there. If you didn’t see it, expand your circle of trust.

You may not be able to stop liars from lying but you can stop believing them.

I know this because our side has liars too and I have learned to filter, fact-check, or disregard them.

As long as you can only see this referendum as “what is wrong with them” and never consider “what did we get wrong?” you will remain wounded, shocked, and shattered.

There’s a hard conversation to be had about the media, the motivations, and liberalism run amok. Whether we wanted to or not, we’ve been subjected to this socio-economic experiment of the left and complicit right.
We didn’t like it.
And so we voted to end it.

It was not to harm you personally though it may help you corporately. I’ll understand if I don’t receive a “thank you” in the mail.

Sincerely,
Not sorry"
Or maybe, hang with me here, the incumbent leaders of most countries were blamed for the global inflation. Also, just because the votes flipped in a binary choice, doesn’t mean the nation moved to the right. We don’t get a spectrum of perceived legitimate choices at the top of the ballot. It’s black and white.

I guess it’s good that MAGA is feeling glib. The Capitol should be safe for four years.
 
All I can say is, we'll see. I've been wrong before, and I'll certainly be wrong again. i was most definitely wrong in my analysis of what was going to happen in the election on Tuesday. What I'm right about is that the lawfare failed.
Now that he has been elected, "we'll see" isn't going to be the same as it would have been.

I think calling this "lawfare" is a load of crap. This is how our system works. He was indicted by a grand jury. He had is day in court. He was convicted. Unless you are claiming that the entire basis of how we chose to prosecute criminals is a scam, calling it lawfare is wrong. That was a grand jury of citizens who felt there was enough wrong to go to trial. Elected officials should be accountable to the same standards as the rest of us, if not more.

We have a billionaire that is so sleazy that instead of making his small hush money payment out of personal funds that he easily could have afforded, he created this false business expense to get it covered. That is a stupid, incompetent move, even if minor in the scheme of things. I could easily purchase medical equipment that I use at the VA under my S corp but the savings isn't worth the hassle if caught. He is used to skirting the law and ripping people off. He didn't think becoming president would require changing his ways. Basically, he FAFO.
 
Here are some hard truths for people like Jess, and a lot of people on this forum.



"Dear Democrats,
There’s a hard conversation coming, friends. I’m here for it…so I will start it.❤️

49 of 50 states shifted right.
And Utah remained neutral-ish by a fractional percentage. Look at all those states, with all those people in them…living different lives in different ways and places. Maybe similarities amongst them but not sameness on any or every level.

The media is going to drag this out to try to soften the blow but Trump will likely get 312 in the electoral college.
76 million people.

It’s not only cynical but arrogant to assume the only reason for this is the ignorance or moral failings of those voters.
Are you not even going to consider that policies, reality, or predictability could have been some factors? THE FACTORS?

Are you not going to leave room for the possibility that all those people see and understand their reality rightly, are living it, learning from it…and can logically predict what happens if the trajectory remains the same? And they strongly object?

To be clear—there has been some pretty abhorrent **** normalized, AND I STRONGLY OBJECT.

Are you not going to entertain that votes were cast not out of rejection or hate of others but love and concern for those closest to them?
How come we can accept that a trans woman likely has the intelligence and agency to vote for their own self-interests but a conservative wife and mother is obviously voting out of fear, hate, or self-loathing?

Y’all don’t think mama bear is voting for her self-interests and those of her cubs? And she values and wants different things for them?

This is narcissism. It’s not all about you.

I know this will be noxious to assert but what if mama bears ARE voting for the common good but they define good differently?
Out of 76 million I would surmise that relatively small is the number of votes cast out of petty dislike or spite for others. I feel confident of this because the legal voting age is 18…not 11.

Huuuuge is the number cast because people are concerned for THEIR OWN safety, finances, children, communities, etc.
At what point will you entertain that it could be your own perspective that is askew? Or your own information that is errant?

What will happen to this “possible grievance” based grief when the grievances don’t materialize?

Will there be any dawning clarity when the “threat to democracy, neo-Nazi, fascists…” are just people trying to live and a man trying to lead?

You could even now be justified in questioning your sources. They lied.
And you believed them.

The candidate was always poor.
And they knew it.
The campaign was always hype.
And they knew it.
THE POLICIES HAVE BEEN HORRIBLE.
And they knew it.
The message was off.
And they knew it.

What was the alternative for people who could see this?? Not vote?

The landslide was the likely outcome.
AND THEY KNEW IT.
But they didn’t say that, did they?

Y’all, I knew it. And I know very little. But I knew enough to have a party with hor d’oevres. And I’m not doing charcuterie on faith. Not in this economy!! The data was there. If you didn’t see it, expand your circle of trust.

You may not be able to stop liars from lying but you can stop believing them.

I know this because our side has liars too and I have learned to filter, fact-check, or disregard them.

As long as you can only see this referendum as “what is wrong with them” and never consider “what did we get wrong?” you will remain wounded, shocked, and shattered.

There’s a hard conversation to be had about the media, the motivations, and liberalism run amok. Whether we wanted to or not, we’ve been subjected to this socio-economic experiment of the left and complicit right.
We didn’t like it.
And so we voted to end it.

It was not to harm you personally though it may help you corporately. I’ll understand if I don’t receive a “thank you” in the mail.

Sincerely,
Not sorry"

What is the source on this article? I'm curious about the author.

Also, just a thought but this might carry more weight if alot of stuff you see online (including posts by you) wasn't about "owning the libs"
 
What is the source on this article? I'm curious about the author.

Also, just a thought but this might carry more weight if alot of stuff you see online (including posts by you) wasn't about "owning the libs"
Really? Can you show me where I posted about "owning the libs"?
I'm confident the libs owned themselves right out of office.

The source. Even though I don't understand why the source matters. I've seen democrats post essentially the same thing.
 
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When Prime Minister Keir Starmer met Donald J. Trump at Trump Tower for dinner on Sept. 26, it was part of a British charm offensive to nurture a relationship between a left-wing leader and a right-wing potential president. So when Mr. Trump turned to Mr. Starmer before parting and told him, “We are friends,” according to a person involved in the evening, it did not go unnoticed.

Whether they stay friends is anybody’s guess.

For months leading up to Mr. Trump’s political comeback — and in the heady days since his victory was confirmed — foreign leaders have rushed, once again, to ingratiate themselves with him. Their emissaries have cultivated people in Mr. Trump’s orbit or with think tanks expected to be influential in setting policies for a second Trump administration.
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History suggests that many of these bridge-building efforts will fail. By the end of his first term, Mr. Trump had soured on several leaders with whom he started off on good terms. His protectionist trade policy and aversion to alliances — coupled with a mercurial personality — fueled clashes that overrode the rapport that the leaders had labored to cultivate.
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“There were two misapprehensions about Trump,” Malcolm Turnbull, a former prime minister of Australia, said in an interview. “The first was he would be different in office than he was on the campaign trail. The second was the best way to deal with him was to suck up to him.”
In January 2017, Mr. Turnbull had a notoriously hostile phone call with Mr. Trump over whether the United States would honor an Obama-era deal to accept 1,250 refugees, which Mr. Trump opposed (the United States did end up taking them). Mr. Turnbull said he later found other common ground with Mr. Trump, even talking him out of imposing tariffs on some Australian exports.
The difference this time, Mr. Turnbull said, is that “everybody knows exactly what they’re going to get. He’s highly transactional. You’ve got to be able to demonstrate that a particular course of action is in his interest.”
 
Really? Can you show me where I posted about "owning the libs"?
I'm confident the libs owned themselves right out of office.

The source. Even though I don't understand why the source matters. I've seen democrats post essentially the same thing.

I like seeing the source so that I can understand the context behind what was said. It helps me separate the legitimate from the fake. I've found that many will willingly spread lies to support their cause than truths that are uncomfortable for them. Reading what you posted can be taken multi ways. Was the author being sincere or was this a backhanded attempt to shame people who disagree with them? There are some hard truths in what was posted, but based on the content the author has, I find it unlikely that she would be willing to look in the mirror and ask the same questions had the election results been different.

It does point to a fundamental difference in how people see things. If you take all policy differences away from the parties, I see Trump as someone who brings out the worst in people. His political style is to divide and conquer, not to unite. I prefer to vote for a unifying candidate. I don't think Harris was that-as many have pointed out she was just another empty suit and in my bias against Trump I never noticed or honestly bothered to care. That blind spot is on me for just assuming enough people would vote against Trump simply for seeing him as who he is. But a majority of Americans didn't care. Pundits are going to spend alot of time talking about that in the next few weeks, but it concerns me that for whatever reason voters were more concerned about something that they would overlook the character of the person they were voting for.

Part of the problem is the arrogance by people who think of themselves as the moral authority over everyone else, and there is plenty of that to go around from each side. It's surprising to me though, that people can overlook his actions after the previous election and think that style of leadership is preferable because their eggs cost more now. Or that those conservative suburban moms can be so scared of the threat that their kids will be exposed to something outrageous that is happening at another school (it's always another school-kinda funny how that works) that they are willing to give up stuff their moms and grandmothers fought for.

People make short sighted decisions and I'm guessing history will remember this election as another one. But hey, if it saves us a quarter a gallon on gas, it all works out right?


As to I don't try and "own the libs," the search function works, but I really didn't need it. You can't backtrack and say I wasn't trolling when you clearly were. To be fair we all do it and personally there have been a few GG doozies that had me rolling.



Just wondering when the burning and looting begins.

The most amazing part is that 20,000,000 democratic voters just disappeared since 2020.

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For all you amateur troll detectors @RxCowboy @CowboyJD

THIS is an epic troll.


Perfect example of Bidenomics.
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Now that he has been elected, "we'll see" isn't going to be the same as it would have been.

I think calling this "lawfare" is a load of crap. This is how our system works. He was indicted by a grand jury. He had is day in court. He was convicted. Unless you are claiming that the entire basis of how we chose to prosecute criminals is a scam, calling it lawfare is wrong. That was a grand jury of citizens who felt there was enough wrong to go to trial. Elected officials should be accountable to the same standards as the rest of us, if not more.

We have a billionaire that is so sleazy that instead of making his small hush money payment out of personal funds that he easily could have afforded, he created this false business expense to get it covered. That is a stupid, incompetent move, even if minor in the scheme of things. I could easily purchase medical equipment that I use at the VA under my S corp but the savings isn't worth the hassle if caught. He is used to skirting the law and ripping people off. He didn't think becoming president would require changing his ways. Basically, he FAFO.
The law fare isn’t just this case. The fraud case is the worst example an if you watch the appellate court footage it appears the judges agree. Dem AGs used the same precedent to try to keep RFK on ballots as they attempted to use to keep him off ballots…..you know every vote democracy and whatnot. They went too far with it. The motives became transparent it backfired. We have the evidence that is the case now. The majority of Americans voted for a felon because a huge number of people see it just as Rx just said. You don’t. I fall kind of in the middle of yall. But they took it to far. They ran a horrible campaign and dozens of legal actions against opposing candidates created fatigue.
 
The law fare isn’t just this case. The fraud case is the worst example an if you watch the appellate court footage it appears the judges agree. Dem AGs used the same precedent to try to keep RFK on ballots as they attempted to use to keep him off ballots…..you know every vote democracy and whatnot. They went too far with it. The motives became transparent it backfired. We have the evidence that is the case now. The majority of Americans voted for a felon because a huge number of people see it just as Rx just said. You don’t. I fall kind of in the middle of yall. But they took it to far. They ran a horrible campaign and dozens of legal actions against opposing candidates created fatigue.
The point is if a "democrat" prosecutor can make a fake case against a candidate for president and get it through a grand jury and get 34 convictions and several other cases would have been possibly getting the same outcome if he wasn't re-elected then we have a system problem not a "democrats took it too far" problem. If the motives are transparent to the average citizen, then the system should have tossed it. But that isn't what happened. We either have citizens believing a disinformation campaign or a system that is failing us.

The fact that the majority voted for a felon convinces me of nothing. The same majority also think that the covid vaccine killed more than it helped (not even close to true) and that the 2020 election was stolen (also not true).
 
The law fare isn’t just this case. The fraud case is the worst example an if you watch the appellate court footage it appears the judges agree. Dem AGs used the same precedent to try to keep RFK on ballots as they attempted to use to keep him off ballots…..you know every vote democracy and whatnot. They went too far with it. The motives became transparent it backfired. We have the evidence that is the case now. The majority of Americans voted for a felon because a huge number of people see it just as Rx just said. You don’t. I fall kind of in the middle of yall. But they took it to far. They ran a horrible campaign and dozens of legal actions against opposing candidates created fatigue.
Basically the cases that could have been incredibly damaging to Trump (Jan 6, pressuring Georgia AG, false slate of electors to overturn swing states, taking and hiding and doing who knows what else w/ classified docs) were delayed and the cases that were inconsequential went through. The net result was it appearing Democrats were using the justice system to target their political opponent.

As an agent of chaos and someone who seems to really try to parse out the truth rather than pick a side and cheer that side, I dig what you bring to the board. Wondering what else rubbed you the wrong way about Dems this go round?
 
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