Frozen embryos are now considered Children in Alabama per State Supreme Court

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A hospital patient unaware of the freezer they were accessing found themselves holding a batch of frozen embryos, they accidentally dropped and destroyed them. Alabama court rules those frozen embryos ARE Children and will allow the Hospital to be sued for Wrongful Death.


Alabama Supreme Court Rules That Frozen Embryos Are 'Children'


The Alabama Supreme Court ruled Friday that frozen embryos are children, which pro-choice rights groups have warned could have dangerous implications for fertility treatments such as in vitro fertilization.

The Alabama Supreme Court on Friday reversed Mobile County Circuit Court Judge Jill Parrish Phillips’ decision to dismiss a lawsuit in which a couple sued an Alabama fertility clinic and hospital for the “wrongful death” of their frozen embryos in a ruling that was riddled with theology. The couple’s frozen embryos were destroyed after a hospital patient who accessed the freezer that held the embryos dropped them on the floor. The ruling means that the couple can sue for wrongful death.


“[T]he Wrongful Death of a Minor Act is sweeping and unqualified. It applies to all children, born and unborn, without limitation,” the ruling said. “It is not the role of this Court to craft a new limitation based on our own view of what is or is not wise public policy. That is especially true where, as here, the People of this State have adopted a Constitutional amendment directly aimed at stopping courts from excluding ‘unborn life’ from legal protection.”

The ruling pointed to the Alabama Constitution Section 36.06, which argues that each person was made in God’s image, meaning each life has an incalculable value that “cannot be wrongfully destroyed without incurring the wrath of a holy God.”

“Section 36.06 recognizes that this is true of unborn human life no less than it is of all other human life ― that even before birth, all human beings bear the image of God, and their lives cannot be destroyed without effacing his glory,” the ruling stated, referring to the Alabama Constitution’s Section 36.06.


The Medical Association of the State of Alabama previously warned that such a ruling could bring about harmful consequences for fertility treatment in Alabama, according to AL.com.

“The potential detrimental impact on IVF treatment in Alabama cannot be overstated,” according to a brief filed by the medical group, AL.com reported. “The increased exposure to wrongful death liability as advocated by the Appellants would – at best – substantially increase the costs associated with IVF. More ominously, the increased risk of legal exposure might result in Alabama’s fertility clinics shutting down and fertility specialists moving to other states to practice fertility medicine.”

Alabama has a total abortion ban, which went into effect after the U.S. Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade with the monumental Dobbs decision in June 2022.

The fight over abortion is implicitly linked to fertility treatments in the same way that anti-abortion activists argue life begins before birth and should be protected. With a treatment like IVF, a patient’s eggs are fertilized with sperm outside of the body before being implanted into the patient’s uterus. However, because a patient only needs one egg to successfully become pregnant, leftover eggs may be discarded.


Democrats and pro-choice advocates across the country have been working to protect access to fertility treatments against the anti-abortion movement since the Roe’s reversal.

Last month, Sen. Tammy Duckworth (D-Ill.) and Rep. Susan Wild (D-Pa.) introduced the Access to Family Building Act, a bill that could proactively establish IVF and other fertility treatments as a right for patients and physicians.

By contrast, some Republicans in Florida, which is a notably anti-choice state like Alabama, introduced a bill in January that would threaten the presence of fertility treatments by allowing parents to seek civil damages for the death of a fetus.
 
Interesting wording. Similar to a trans person saying, "I was born female, but for me, I am a man."
But, that is ridiculed by the same people that are somehow claiming frozen embryos are babies. At least freeze a reconstitute a baby to show some biological equivalence first since they turn to biology in the argument against trans rights.



Haley Says ‘Embryos, to Me, Are Babies,’ in Response to Alabama Court Ruling​

The former South Carolina governor has walked a fine line on reproductive medicine during the Republican presidential primary.


Nikki Haley told NBC News on Wednesday that she believed that embryos created through in vitro fertilization were “babies,” after the Alabama Supreme Court on Friday delivered a major rulingthat raised legal questions about reproductive medicine and fertility care.

“Embryos, to me, are babies,” Ms. Haley said after an NBC correspondent, Ali Vitali, asked her if she agreed with the court that “embryos created through I.V.F. are considered children.”

Pressed on whether she was specifically referring to I.V.F.-created embryos, Ms. Haley recalled that she’d had her son through artificial insemination. “One thing is to save sperm or to save eggs, but when you talk about an embryo, you are talking about — to me, that’s a life,” she said, “and so I do see where that’s coming from when they talk about that.”

But she appeared to hedge when asked about the implications of the Alabama ruling, saying that questions about whether the decision could affect people seeking I.V.F. require “incredibly personal” conversations with doctors and patients.

When pushed on the question, Ms. Haley added: “This is one where we need to be incredibly respectful and sensitive about it.”
 

Biden blasts Alabama Supreme Court's 'unacceptable' frozen embryo ruling​


President Joe Biden on Thursday blasted the Alabama Supreme Court ruling that said frozen embryos are considered children in the state, calling it "outrageous and unacceptable."

"Today, in 2024 in America, women are being turned away from emergency rooms and forced to travel hundreds of miles for health care, while doctors fear prosecution for providing an abortion. And now, a court in Alabama put access to some fertility treatments at risk for families who are desperately trying to get pregnant. The disregard for women's ability to make these decisions for themselves and their families is outrageous and unacceptable," Biden wrote in the statement.


On Tuesday, the Alabama Supreme Court ruled that "unborn children are 'children' … without exception based on developmental stage, physical location, or any other ancillary characteristics." The unprecedented decision could impact the future of in vitro fertilization treatments in the state -- and several IVF providers have paused parts of their care to patients for fear of legal risks.


Biden said the court's decisions is a "direct result of the overturning of Roe v. Wade" -- the 2022 U.S. Supreme Court decision.

Biden said he will work to restore Roe v. Wade -- however, with a divided Congress it could be challenging.


"My message is: The Vice President and I are fighting for your rights. We're fighting for the freedom of women, for families, and for doctors who care for these women. And we won't stop until we restore the protections of Roe v. Wade in federal law for all women in every state," Biden wrote in the statement.

Biden's campaign directly blamed former President Donald Trump for the Alabama court ruling, saying it was "only possible" because "Donald Trump's Supreme Court justices overturned Roe v. Wade." Trump appointed three conservative justices while he was president.

"Across the nation, MAGA Republicans are inserting themselves into the most personal decisions a family can make, from contraception to IVF. With their latest attack on reproductive freedom, these so-called pro-life Republicans are preventing loving couples from growing their families. If Donald Trump is elected, there is no question that he will impose his extreme anti-freedom agenda on the entire country," Biden-Harris campaign manager Julie Chavez Rodriguez said in a statement.

Vice President Kamala Harris denounced the court's decision in a post on X.

"This decision is outrageous -- and it is already robbing women of the freedom to decide when and how to build a family," Harris wrote.

Harris wrote that Biden would sign a bill reinstating the protections of Roe v. Wade if Democrats win majorities in Congress, although such legislation would need 60 votes in the Senate.

Trump has not yet weighed in on the Alabama court ruling or Biden's comments. Congressional Republicans have been noticeably quiet on the topic, too.

Nikki Haley, Trump's opponent in the Republican primary, said Wednesday that she agrees with the court's ruling, telling NBC News that "embryos, to me, are babies."
 
I hope some of these fools don't think about putting an infant in the deep freeze...cause children cannot survive if frozen,,,cuz, ya know; they're children...real children...
 

Confused Tuberville Isn't Sure If He Supports IVF Or Opposes it, Or What It Is, In Rambling Response To Reporters​

Alabama Republican Senator Tommy Tuberville seemed a little confused Thursday when questioned by reporters during the CPAC Conference about his stance on IVF, after the Alabama Supreme Court ruled this week that fertilized embryos have personhood, severely limiting the ability of infertile couples to pursue IVF as an option for pregnancy.

Tuberville came out initially in support of the Alabama court ruling, stating, "I'm all for it. We need to have more kids, we need to have the opportunity to do that, and I thought this was the right thing to do."

When NBC's Dasha Burns reminded him that the purpose of IVF is to help families have more kids, Tuberville tried to backtrack his initial comments.

"Right now IVF services are paused at some of the clinics in Alabama," Burns said. "Aren't you concerned that this could impact people who are trying to have kids?"

"Well, that’s, that’s for another conversation," said Tuberville. "I think the big thing is right now, you protect — you go back to the situation and try to work it out to where it's best for everybody. I mean, that’s what — that’s what the whole abortion issue is about."

Tuberville then repeated, "we need more kids, we need people to have the opportunity to have more kids."

When asked what he would say to the women in Alabama who no longer have access to IVF because of this court ruling, Tuberville completely froze, obviously desperate to remember exactly what IVF is before continuing.

After several seconds of silence Tuberville finally responded, "well that's a hard one."

Tuberville is a textbook example of why people who do not understand basic reproductive biology should not be making laws restricting reproductive freedom. IVF has nothing to do with abortion, other than for anti-choice extremists who want to grant more rights to embryos than living women.

President Biden issued a statement Thursday calling the ruling from the Alabama Supreme Court "outrageous and unacceptable."

"The disregard for women’s ability to make these decisions for themselves and their families is outrageous and unacceptable," Biden said.


Under the Alabama court ruling, embryos must be kept frozen and viable until they are implanted. Unfreezing the embryos, or implanting an embryo that fails to result in a successful pregnancy could result in doctors facing civil liability or even criminal charges. Doctors won't be taking the risk to perform IVF procedures in Alabama after this ruling, effectively killing the option for infertile couples.

The University of Alabama Birmingham hospital system, the largest healthcare system in the state, announced this week that it would temporarily pause all IVF treatments in response to the Supreme Court ruling. A second fertility clinic in Birmingham followed suit the following day.

A statement from the University read, “We are saddened that this will impact our patients’ attempt to have a baby through IVF, but we must evaluate the potential that our patients and our physicians could be prosecuted criminally or face punitive damages for following the standard of care for IVF treatments."
 

Kentucky lawmakers advance bill allowing child support to begin with pregnancy​


FRANKFORT, Ky. (AP) — Lawmakers in Kentucky advanced a bill Tuesday that would grant the right to collect child support for unborn children, reflecting a broader effort in some Republican-led states to push legislation conferring a fetus with the same rights as a person.

The measure would allow a parent to seek child support up to a year after giving birth to cover pregnancy expenses. The bill won approval from the Senate Families and Children Committee, sending the proposal to the full Senate. It was the first vote on the legislation, which was introduced in mid-January and referred to the committee more than a month ago. Republicans have supermajorities in the Kentucky Senate and House.


Kentucky is among at least six states where lawmakers have proposed measures similar to a Georgia law that allows child support to be sought back to conception. Georgia also allows prospective parents to claim its income tax deduction for dependent children before birth; Utah enacted a pregnancy tax break last year; and variations of those measures are before lawmakers in at least four other states.

A recent Alabama Supreme Court ruling that frozen embryos are legally protected children spotlighted the anti-abortion movement’s long-standing goal of giving embryos and fetuses legal and constitutional protections on par with those of the people carrying them.

In Kentucky, Republican state Sen. Whitney Westerfield, a staunch abortion opponent, is sponsoring the legislation — Senate Bill 110 — that would allow child support to be applied retroactively to cover a fetus.

“That child is a human life," Westerfield told the committee. "And the support obligation begins as soon as that life begins. And I think we ought to be able to go after that.”

The bill was amended by the committee to only apply to child support ordered within a year after birth, setting a strict time limit for seeking a court order dating back to the time of conception.

“So if there’s not a child support order until the child’s 8, this isn’t going to apply," Westerfield said. “Even at a year and a day, this doesn’t apply. It’s only for orders that are in place within a year of the child’s birth.”

Some abortion rights advocates in Kentucky expressed concerns about the bill afterward.

“This type of bill sets the stage for personhood,” Tamarra Wieder, the Kentucky State director for Planned Parenthood Alliance Advocates, said in a statement. “SB 110 is a slippery slope and one that leads us in the same direction" as the Alabama court ruling.



“Instead of trying to push the idea of personhood via child support, this legislature should instead look at supporting pregnant people through expanded insurance, paid leave or any number of options that might provide more inclusive benefits,” she added.

One potential obstacle for the Kentucky bill is the additional expenses that county attorneys would incur to enforce child support orders applying to the unborn. In such cases, prosecutors could not use federal funding they typically rely on to cover expenses related to child support enforcement, Westerfield said.

The bill's supporters could seek a state appropriation to cover those additional costs. House and Senate leaders will hash out final details of the state's next two-year budget in March.

For abortion opponents, the bill's recognition of the unborn for child support purposes goes to the heart of an overarching issue, said Republican state Sen. Danny Carroll, the committee' chairman.

“That’s where life starts," Carroll said. “And that’s where that obligation to take care of that child should begin. And I think it’s a fundamental fairness issue that we do this.”
 
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