US continues to go backward...

JTOSU · Feb 23, 2024

HacklemanPoke said:
I’m not sure you’re debating the same thing. I don’t think anyone would debate that generally inconsistent attendance leads to inconsistent academic performance.

The nuance that appears to be lacking is that in this instance the parental choice of sending an unvaccinated child into a measles outbreak could potentially lead to a far worse outcome for that child and worse if that child was exposed and is in the presymptom contagious window lead to far worse outcomes for both the vaccinated (98% vaccine efficacy) and other unvaccinated children. And let’s remember there are children whose parents would chose vaccination but bc of other medical conditions cannot get that child vaccinated.

Are you good w those children missing school? How many days of missed school is ok for a vaccinated kid bc another kid comes to school w measles? The unvaccinated kid exposed misses what a week at the risk of other kids dying, suffering long term illness and potentially disability or weeks or months of school?

What is the risk reward here for you?

For me personally if I was a patron of that school?
First, I would never have an unvaccinated child.
But assuming I did…for unvaccinated child I personally wouldn’t send them to school. But I also wouldn’t impose my belief system and risk tolerance on others.

Second, I would make decisions that I thought best for my child.

steross · Feb 23, 2024

HacklemanPoke said:
What is the risk reward here for you?

That is exactly it. Risk-benefit is what I do all day long. If he were to provide good data (not a survey or "parents feel") that showed missing a small amount of school once causes real long-term issues then there would actually be a risk-benefit analysis to have here and I might change my mind. But, I have supplied the risk of measles, he just keeps claiming his "harms" are readily available yet for some reason he won't just link it.

JTOSU · Feb 23, 2024

steross said:
It appears you don't even know what confirmation bias is. YOU were the one that spouted one number. All I said was that there were more numbers out there reported. To "confirm" I would have had to say that one is right which I did not. Obviously, you need to confirm to have a confirmation bias.

As to the principal being a good source, well, he is defending the piss-poor decision as you would expect. And, the numbers he is giving are the number of kids that have had any measles vaccination whatsoever. The CDC considers a school-age child vaccinated if they have had two of the series. So, no, I don't consider him a great source. Either not saying the truth or doesn't understand:
School officials say that 92% of the students at Manatee Bay are vaccinated for the measles and 97% of the students have at least one dose of the MMR vaccine. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the MMR vaccination rate in Florida is around 91%.

No, you are not being a jerk for "knowing" anything. You are being a jerk by referring to "studies" then when called on it saying "go look at google" instead of posting a link to what you are claiming. Nobody believes you have a study showing 2 days of missed school causes a long-term effect. The Atlantic article is behind a paywall for me (too liberal to pay for) but the title says "chronic" and each time they mention abseteeism it says "chronic" so I'm guessing that your one attempt to provide a source has nothing to do with missing school one period of time to avoid a severe illness.

The Atlantic is too liberal for you? C’mon. I intentionally sent that link for you. Again there is a ton of articles about this. But as I figured, what I sent you would find a reason not to agree.

And it is comical that you find the principal and the Superintendent not to be a great source.

steross · Feb 23, 2024

JTOSU said:
The Atlantic is too liberal for you? C’mon. I intentionally sent that link for you. Again there is a ton of articles about this. But as I figured, what I sent you would find a reason not to agree.

And it is comical that you find the principal and the Superintendent not to be a great source.

The Atlantic comment was a joke but I can't subscribe to everything. But, everything in that article says "chronic absenteeism." That is NOT the subject we are discussing.

The principal at best made an error on vaccination- if you quoted him right. No, that is not being a good source.

You claim multiple studies are showing the harm of a single episode of missing three weeks of school (Our subject). Yet, you somehow can't find a single one of them to share and repeatedly refer us to Google to do that work for you.

Nobody believes you.

JTOSU · Feb 23, 2024

steross said:
Nobody believes you.

Ahh, glad you did a poll. And no, I am not referring “us” to Google, I am replying to you.

HacklemanPoke · Feb 23, 2024

JTOSU said:
For me personally if I was a patron of that school?
First, I would never have an unvaccinated child.
But assuming I did…for unvaccinated child I personally wouldn’t send them to school. But I also wouldn’t impose my belief system and risk tolerance on others.

Second, I would make decisions that I thought best for my child.

To quote you “I would make decisions I thought best for my child”.

Therein lies the problem. Having no thought or regard for the consequences of the decision you think is best for your child while putting others at risk.

I don’t know you and message board dialogue can get wonky and your true intent would not to be to put others at risk but we are all better when we consider the best outcome for everyone. And maybe that was what you intended.

P4L · Feb 23, 2024

JTOSU said:
Ahh, glad you did a poll. And no, I am not referring “us” to Google, I am replying to you.

Dude, you're the one making the claim. All you have to do is link an actual study to prove it, but so far have not done so.

If there are MYRIADS of studies as you claim, why are you spending more time arguing that you're right rather than just linking the studies?

steross · Feb 23, 2024

JTOSU said:
Ahh, glad you did a poll. And no, I am not referring “us” to Google, I am replying to you.

Don't need to do a poll. The board self polls.

And, yep, making a claim then telling others to go find it for you is being a jerk. And clearly losing a debate. Bye.

JTOSU · Feb 23, 2024

steross said:
Don't need to do a poll. The board self polls.

And, yep, making a claim then telling others to go find it for you is being a jerk. And clearly losing a debate. Bye.

Yes AOC polls well with Omar and Bowman.

steross · Feb 23, 2024

JTOSU said:
Yes AOC polls well with Omar and Bowman.

P4L said:
Dude, you're the one making the claim. All you have to do is link an actual study to prove it, but so far have not done so.

If there are MYRIADS of studies as you claim, why are you spending more time arguing that you're right rather than just linking the studies?

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Vakarian74 · Feb 23, 2024

JTOSU said:
For me personally if I was a patron of that school?
First, I would never have an unvaccinated child.
But assuming I did…for unvaccinated child I personally wouldn’t send them to school. But I also wouldn’t impose my belief system and risk tolerance on others.

Second, I would make decisions that I thought best for my child.

When you’re decisions effect others negatively you shouldn’t get to decide to hurt others because mah rights

HacklemanPoke said:
To quote you “I would make decisions I thought best for my child”.

Therein lies the problem. Having no thought or regard for the consequences of the decision you think is best for your child while putting others at risk.

I don’t know you and message board dialogue can get wonky and your true intent would not to be to put others at risk but we are all better when we consider the best outcome for everyone. And maybe that was what you intended.

I thought we were in a society. That means that we don’t just look out for our needs we care about everyone’s needs as best as possible.

mugatu · Feb 23, 2024

steross said:

I went googleing for a bit to try to help... couldn't find studies for single multi-week absence. Lots of reports about a study or two for chronic (2 days a week) but not a single long term absence.

The chronic seemed more about kids later dropping out or similar. Maybe due to not feeling school is important.... just my thought.

So Florida has almost 1 in 10 kids unvaccinated for MMR? That's a big number for a standard vaccine.

JTOSU · Feb 23, 2024

steross said:

* I sent you articles on the 97% figure. You weirdly argued it that even though it was WIDELY reported in the news. And you unsurprisingly now claim the principal and the superintendent are not great source.

* We previously debated illegal immigrant cost. I sent data and you unsurprisingly claimed those data sources were biased and wrong.

* I then you sent a lengthy article from The Atlantic but apparently that source was not good for you.

A pattern is showing.

* Read research from The Economic Policy Institute. It is a left leaning group and you may find there research eye-opening. But my guess is you will say it is biased and find another reason to dispute the value of in-person schooling.

steross · Feb 23, 2024

JTOSU said:
* I sent you articles on the 97% figure. You weirdly argued it that even though it was WIDELY reported in the news. And you unsurprisingly now claim the principal and the superintendent are not great source.

* We previously debated illegal immigrant cost. I sent data and you unsurprisingly claimed those data sources were biased and wrong.

* I then you sent a lengthy article from The Atlantic but apparently that source was not good for you.

A pattern is showing.

* Read research from The Economic Policy Institute. It is a left leaning group and you may find there research eye-opening. But my guess is you will say it is biased and find another reason to dispute the value of in-person schooling.

LOL. Repeating the same whining that I have already explained and no link. I explained the Atlantic was about chronic absenteeism. I explained why the 97% figure is not the number vaccinated. The pattern is that you have incorrect or irrelevant info for the subject.

I'm not going to set out on a vision quest to the Economic Policy Institute on a Friday night and just start randomly reading hoping I can prove your claim for you. If you have an article from them that covers it, link it.
But, as I said, you keep floundering but we all know you simply made it up.

Misinformation is a tactic in politics that has been perfected by the right. I'm not just gonna accept crap because you post it.

CowboyJD · Feb 23, 2024

JTOSU said:
* I sent you articles on the 97% figure. You weirdly argued it that even though it was WIDELY reported in the news. And you unsurprisingly now claim the principal and the superintendent are not great source.

* We previously debated illegal immigrant cost. I sent data and you unsurprisingly claimed those data sources were biased and wrong.

* I then you sent a lengthy article from The Atlantic but apparently that source was not good for you.

A pattern is showing.

* Read research from The Economic Policy Institute. It is a left leaning group and you may find there research eye-opening. But my guess is you will say it is biased and find another reason to dispute the value of in-person schooling.

The pattern IS CLEARLY showing….

The pattern of your intellectual dishonesty and failure to support your propositions with….you know…actual, relevant, cogent, accurate, and verifiable facts.

steross · Feb 24, 2024

JTOSU said:
But my guess is you will say it is biased and find another reason to dispute the value of in-person schooling.

And, frankly, this is pathetic. NEVER ONCE have I made a general claim disputing the value of in-person schooling. You know it. If there are no other risks, of course kids should be in school as much as possible.

But, because you cannot prove your claim, you are left with a choice:
1. Be a man and admit that you exaggerated in an attempt to defend an opinion.
2. Attack and make even more false claims to avoid the real subject.

I already said, if you can actually show a meaningful harm from a SINGLE episode of missing school for 3 weeks, then we would have something to actually discuss. I have already given the meaningful harms of a SINGLE episode of getting the measles. Everything else you are saying is pure fluff to avoid making a real risk benefit assessment. And, you are doing that because you like a political stance. Which, surprise, is MAGA all the way.

Polds4OSU · Feb 24, 2024

steross said:
And, frankly, this is pathetic. NEVER ONCE have I made a general claim disputing the value of in-person schooling. You know it. If there are no other risks, of course kids should be in school as much as possible.

But, because you cannot prove your claim, you are left with a choice:
1. Be a man and admit that you exaggerated in an attempt to defend an opinion.
2. Attack and make even more false claims to avoid the real subject.

I already said, if you can actually show a meaningful harm from a SINGLE episode of missing school for 3 weeks, then we would have something to actually discuss. I have already given the meaningful harms of a SINGLE episode of getting the measles. Everything else you are saying is pure fluff to avoid making a real risk benefit assessment. And, you are doing that because you like a political stance. Which, surprise, is MAGA all the way.

This is what happens when you blindly follow a politician and believe everything they tell you to believe and think how they tell you to think...even though you have no evidence , the politician has provided no evidence, your willing to bet your soul hthe politician is right ....you wind up in situations trying to defend an undefendable position, but Trump told you this is a hill you should die on for him and here we are

PokitN · Feb 27, 2024

Is putting a man convicted of sexually assaulting his own daughter in a prison with other women and using tax payer money to pay for his sex change operation "moving backwards" or is this progress?

EXCLUSIVE: Woman Forced to Bunk with Transgender Prisoner

A female prisoner says she was forced to share a cell and a bunk-bed with a man who identifies as a transgender woman.

www.dailysignal.com

milehighpoke · Feb 27, 2024

PokitN said:
Is putting a man convicted of sexually assaulting his own daughter in a prison with other women and using tax payer money to pay for his sex change operation "moving backwards" or is this progress?

EXCLUSIVE: Woman Forced to Bunk with Transgender Prisoner

A female prisoner says she was forced to share a cell and a bunk-bed with a man who identifies as a transgender woman.

www.dailysignal.com

Definitely not clicking on a link from the daily signal, whatever that is. But there's nothing quite like cherry picking sensationalist stories to back up your biases.

Are you comfortable with priests who have been caught molesting multiple children never seeing prison and just being shuffled to new states and churches? Oh, and our money funding that as well?

mugatu · Feb 27, 2024

milehighpoke said:
Definitely not clicking on a link from the daily signal, whatever that is. But there's nothing quite like cherry picking sensationalist stories to back up your biases.

Are you comfortable with priests who have been caught molesting multiple children never seeing prison and just being shuffled to new states and churches? Oh, and our money funding that as well?

Tax free...

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