Ooh ooh ooh, they are talking about Rob being a racist or not. Why does Rob get all the fun? I really need to get in on that action and make it about me!!!!
Again, please refer to the last sentence of my post above.
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Ooh ooh ooh, they are talking about Rob being a racist or not. Why does Rob get all the fun? I really need to get in on that action and make it about me!!!!
Again, please refer to the last sentence of my post above.
I honestly can’t decide if you are just choosing to be your typical argumentative self or if you don’t have the ability to actually understand the point I was making.
I don't think he is stupid.
He does decidedly lack good faith in his rhetoric..
So I'd go with the former over the latter option.
Functionally they are the same thing.
I've seen this all over social media, and to me it rings very true:
It is genuinely hard for a liberal to win over a die-hard MAGA supporter at this point.
Not because they can’t reason.
Because they’ve been told a story about liberals for so long that reality doesn’t stand a chance.
I’ll explain.
For years—before Obama even took office—they’ve been fed a steady diet of what “the left really wants”:
Liberals want to destroy the country.
They want to turn your kids gay.
They want to outlaw meat, erase borders, abolish police, and replace your job with vibes.
Every protest is fake. Every crowd is paid. Every crisis is staged.
If I believed all that, I’d hate liberals too. Anyone would.
That’s the point.
What’s actually happening is much simpler—and much darker.
The right doesn’t debate the left. It invents the left.
A cartoon version. A villain. A monster that can’t be reasoned with, only defeated.
And the people doing this aren’t random Twitter weirdos. They’re professionals.
The real paid agitators aren’t the protesters.
They’re the ones on television.
Hannity. Ingraham. Waters. Gutfeld. Levin. Carlson.
Literally paid—very well—to keep their audience angry, afraid, and certain.
Certainty is the product.
That’s why this works so well. Once you accept the premise that “the left wants to destroy America,” everything else becomes obvious. Nuance feels like betrayal. Any correction sounds like propaganda.
Which is why positions can be installed almost overnight.
No one on the right cared about Greenland.
No one was demanding tariffs on allies.
No one was begging to torch NATO or cozy up to autocrats.
Then suddenly, if you don’t see the “common sense” of all this, you’re the idiot.
This isn’t independent thinking. It’s narrative discipline.
Yes, the left has fringe voices too. Every large coalition does.
The difference is that the right takes its fringe, paints the entire Democratic Party with it, then insists the only alternative isn’t center-right governance—but the far right.
Vote GOP or the country dies.
Those are your choices.
And here’s the part that makes this so hard to unwind:
Once someone has lived inside that story long enough, abandoning it doesn’t feel like changing their mind.
It feels like stepping into chaos. It feels like abandoning part of their identity and putting them at odds with their social circle.
So they cling to it.
Defend it.
Double down.
Not because it’s true—but because it’s coherent.
And that’s the quiet tragedy here.
If MAGA voters ever really saw what liberals actually argue about—boring policy tradeoffs, incremental fixes, internal disagreements—they’d be furious.
Not at the left.
At the people who lied to them about it for years.
It is genuinely hard for a liberal to win over a die-hard MAGA supporter at this point.
Not because they can’t reason.
Because they’ve been told a story about liberals for so long that reality doesn’t stand a chance.
I’ll explain.
For years—before Obama even took office—they’ve been fed a steady diet of what “the left really wants”:
Liberals want to destroy the country.
They want to turn your kids gay.
They want to outlaw meat, erase borders, abolish police, and replace your job with vibes.
Every protest is fake. Every crowd is paid. Every crisis is staged.
If I believed all that, I’d hate liberals too. Anyone would.
That’s the point.
What’s actually happening is much simpler—and much darker.
The right doesn’t debate the left. It invents the left.
A cartoon version. A villain. A monster that can’t be reasoned with, only defeated.
And the people doing this aren’t random Twitter weirdos. They’re professionals.
The real paid agitators aren’t the protesters.
They’re the ones on television.
Hannity. Ingraham. Waters. Gutfeld. Levin. Carlson.
Literally paid—very well—to keep their audience angry, afraid, and certain.
Certainty is the product.
That’s why this works so well. Once you accept the premise that “the left wants to destroy America,” everything else becomes obvious. Nuance feels like betrayal. Any correction sounds like propaganda.
Which is why positions can be installed almost overnight.
No one on the right cared about Greenland.
No one was demanding tariffs on allies.
No one was begging to torch NATO or cozy up to autocrats.
Then suddenly, if you don’t see the “common sense” of all this, you’re the idiot.
This isn’t independent thinking. It’s narrative discipline.
Yes, the left has fringe voices too. Every large coalition does.
The difference is that the right takes its fringe, paints the entire Democratic Party with it, then insists the only alternative isn’t center-right governance—but the far right.
Vote GOP or the country dies.
Those are your choices.
And here’s the part that makes this so hard to unwind:
Once someone has lived inside that story long enough, abandoning it doesn’t feel like changing their mind.
It feels like stepping into chaos. It feels like abandoning part of their identity and putting them at odds with their social circle.
So they cling to it.
Defend it.
Double down.
Not because it’s true—but because it’s coherent.
And that’s the quiet tragedy here.
If MAGA voters ever really saw what liberals actually argue about—boring policy tradeoffs, incremental fixes, internal disagreements—they’d be furious.
Not at the left.
At the people who lied to them about it for years.
Functionally, they are.
There is something mildly more sinister about deliberately "misunderstanding" than honest stupidity though.
That's one take for sure. And I'm sure some of that holds true for far right consertives.
Personally, if I were really wanting to sway someone to the right I'd simply let them read this forum...
PF5
Sheriff
is that your excuse?
I'm done being polite to these people that care nothing about anyone but themselves. If they can call people the things they do they can handle being called names themself. Screw em.
@Vakarian74 @Rob B.
Y'all, lets not be posting addresses on the internet. It may be best to take a step back and some deep breaths, on both of your parts.
Y'all, lets not be posting addresses on the internet. It may be best to take a step back and some deep breaths, on both of your parts.
@Rob B. @Vakarian74
That is enough. I am not going to keep deleting posts. A 3 day vacation for both of you might be in order if this keeps up.
That is enough. I am not going to keep deleting posts. A 3 day vacation for both of you might be in order if this keeps up.
Damn what am I missing?
No, their claiming it's racist to even bring it up.
Was Don Lemon staging the act of civil disobedience or just there covering it as a journalist?
You missed that POS giving out a fake address so he could call me a racist to my face, then bringing my wife into it. And now he's being protected with deleted posts.
He certainly wasn't afraid to take center stage and confront the pastor.
You are also being protected as both of you are over the line. Take it to DMs we are done with discussing it here.
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