US continues to go backward...

Here's how Turkey slid into a dictatorship under Erdogan. Tell me how this is any different than what's going on right now.

Constitutional changes to consolidate power
  • Expansion of presidential powers: In 2017, a constitutional referendum approved changes that replaced Turkey's parliamentary system with an executive presidency. This change, which abolished the office of the Prime Minister, eliminated traditional checks and balances by concentrating vast authority in Erdoğan's hands. The president was given the power to issue decrees, appoint ministers and high officials, and intervene in the judiciary.
  • Circumventing term limits: Erdoğan was elected president in 2014 and 2018. When running for a third term in 2023, he argued that his first term did not count toward the limit because it occurred under the old parliamentary system. This interpretation allowed him to run again and potentially remain in power until 2028.
Post-2016 coup crackdown
  • Purge of state institutions: After the failed 2016 coup, the government declared a state of emergency for two years and conducted massive purges across the public sector. More than 127,000 public servants, including soldiers, judges, teachers, and police officers, were dismissed. In July 2025, it was reported that more than 126,000 people had been convicted in relation to alleged ties to the Gülen movement, which the government blamed for the coup.
  • Targeting the judiciary: The purges specifically targeted the judiciary, with thousands of judges and prosecutors dismissed or arrested. This enabled the executive branch to exert unprecedented control over the courts, making them compliant with the government's agenda.
  • Arbitrary detentions and prosecution: The crackdown led to the detention of nearly 400,000 people over a decade, with convictions often based on tenuous links to the Gülen movement, such as having a specific messaging app or bank account. The UN has ruled that such widespread detentions can amount to arbitrary and politically motivated deprivation of liberty.
Suppression of dissent and opposition
  • Attack on media freedom: The government has closed hundreds of media outlets and arrested large numbers of journalists, leading to a dramatic decline in press freedom. A September 2025 report ranked Turkey 159th out of 180 countries in press freedom, noting an increase in violations against critical outlets.
  • Marginalization of political opponents: Erdoğan's government has actively undermined political opponents, particularly the main opposition Republican People's Party (CHP) and the pro-Kurdish Peoples' Equality and Democracy Party (DEM Party). A major turning point occurred in March 2025 with the politically motivated arrest of Istanbul's popular mayor, Ekrem İmamoğlu—a prominent opponent of Erdoğan—on dubious charges.
  • Exploiting crises: Following an electoral setback in 2015, Erdoğan leveraged a rise in terrorist attacks to foster a climate of fear and regain support in a snap election. Critics say he has consistently used crises to justify authoritarian measure
 
You need to ask yourself: Has Trump ever said anything nice about the left?

I'm so glad you asked this. Not because I'm here to defend Trump to the death or anything weird, but it's a great meme that immediately popped into my head because of you. Ryno missed a wonderful opportunity.

This is a very nice thing of Trump to say.

 
I'm so glad you asked this. Not because I'm here to defend Trump to the death or anything weird, but it's a great meme that immediately popped into my head because of you. Ryno missed a wonderful opportunity.

This is a very nice thing of Trump to say.

This is a good counter example. Any others, or was this just a one time anomoly?
 
This is a good counter example. Any others, or was this just a one time anomoly?

That's the only one that popped in my mind immediately due to hilarity. Do I really need to google something at you are more than capable of? Unfortunately, I don't know any other compliments that turned into hilarious memes.
 
That's the only one that popped in my mind immediately due to hilarity. Do I really need to google something at you are more than capable of? Unfortunately, I don't know any other compliments that turned into hilarious memes.
Generally, one who is making a counterclaim has the responsibility of finding examples to support their argument. That being said, I did a search, and there are exactly 8 examples. All 2020 and earlier.

His tendency is in crucial moments to work as a divider and since he lost the 2020 election cannot muster even the smallest praise. All blame is on the left.

That speaks for itself.
 
Generally, one who is making a counterclaim has the responsibility of finding examples to support their argument. That being said, I did a search, and there are exactly 8 examples. All 2020 and earlier.

I satisfied that counterclaim. If you wanted more than one example that should've been noted in the beginning. :)

For the location of the new goal posts I present to you:

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These aren't good examples. One was a question forced on Trump by a moderator/questioner, RFK had already been making overtures and saying he was going to run for pres, and the third is complementing the left while trashing another portion of the left.

Thank you for sharing your opinion about the examples.
 
See? The problem of political violence is only with the left.

Someone who saw it took it down because there were rumors people were going to come to Antlers to burn it. The owner of the sign went to that person and told them they had called the cops and reported them for theft.

As a first ammendment issue, it's grotesque but not illegal so they had every right to put it up. But if the point was to provoke a confrontation at what point does that become illegal? Trying to bait someone into punching you doesn't mean they committed assault when they do.
 
I satisfied that counterclaim. If you wanted more than one example that should've been noted in the beginning. :)

For the location of the new goal posts I present to you:

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Someone who saw it took it down because there were rumors people were going to come to Antlers to burn it. The owner of the sign went to that person and told them they had called the cops and reported them for theft.

As a first ammendment issue, it's grotesque but not illegal so they had every right to put it up. But if the point was to provoke a confrontation at what point does that become illegal? Trying to bait someone into punching you doesn't mean they committed assault when they do.
It actually does mean they've committed assault and battery.

Words alone aren't sufficient provocation for the use of physical force under the law.

The constitutional concept of "fighting words" is all but dead in the jurisprudence of America.
 
Do you think they are good examples?

Being forced to say something nice about your brother or sister doesn't count, does it?
And let's compare those forced statements to all the other stuff said by him about those specific people and maybe make a sincerity evaluation as well.

I'm mean if we're talking about saying nice things to folks.

If that's the best, most nice things Musk's Grok could come up with on the subject, that's pretty damned telling in an of itself.
 
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