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just because you find videos of African Americans agreeing with him doesn´t mean that ALL do ((I have many black friends (not bragging here, ha) and not ONE has a positive view of Charlie)) but, again, I don´t base my opinion about him because of Otherś opinion, I base it on my mind and heart...and that video does not change anything...he is just saying DEI is/was bad....bad for who? Whites...and the only thing he mentions why it´s intent was good was allowing people into businesses regardless of race...R U kidding me?!...and then he brings up the trans...Equal Rights is a Good thing in my eyes...DEI has become negative amongst maga´s/many conservatives, just like WOKE is bad, Empathy is bad, etc.
In general terms you are right. There are a bunch of "religious" people who seem to have little regard for those they consider inferior. The mega church preachers who care more about that 2nd jet than the people they serve. You could give examples down to people who serve at food banks only to complain about the clientele there afterwards. Not saying hes in that category without any eevidence and don't think he's that type of person tbh.
My question was why does his giving have to be conditional? But I guess that might be only part of what he did for charity. I'd like to think someone of his religious identity would be doing stuff without letting anyone know (or at least through some sort of 501c3) but if he was doing that then no one would know the depth of his charity work.
Responded to @IronCodePoke before I read yours so see what I said there.
Specific to this, why is the business and charity work tied together?
Don't want to get too deep into this because last night I was getting into donny style rant response length with you and well that's just too much time and effort for a message board.
PF5
Sheriff
Obama calls Kirk murder 'horrific,' says a president should 'pull people together'
He said that President Trump's rhetoric is part of a broader problem.
Why do you think it’s tied together? Is that normal?
Ryno
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Obama calls Kirk murder 'horrific,' says a president should 'pull people together'
He said that President Trump's rhetoric is part of a broader problem.abcnews.go.com
Pot. Kettle. Black.
Obama was terrible about trying to 'unite' this country following events that effected our country. He was as divisive as Trump, but did it in a more intelligent and covert way.
For a YouTube personality, yeah. You see that alot where if you buy x I will do y. If he's going to be remembered as this great religious guy to the point where the federal government is trying to make it a crime to talk bad about him, he should probably be held to a higher standard than as good as Mr Beast.
To me Mathew 6:5 comes to mind. “And when you pray don’t be like the hypocrites who love to be seen in the synagogue and on the street corner… I tell you they have their reward in total…” paraphrased but all translations are similar. They have their worldly recognition and reward. Period.
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This is an unserious opinion. Obama was not in the same galaxy as Trump. You need to ask yourself: Has Trump ever said anything nice about the left?
Now do the same with Obama and the right. You will have your answer right there.
Obama being black was a bridge too far for many people. Sharing his own personal experiences was a bridge too far for others.
Keep in mind, I never voted for Obama and had a lower opinion of him when he was president. Compared to what we have now, he looks like a statesman.
Perhaps to white supremacist.
Polds4OSU
Marshall
Or people were too poorly educated and uninformed to understand the levers and moves Obama did Legally within the framework of the laws of this land and he made the changes the right way per US laws
And ignorance of the law and the govt processes led masses of people to be convinced he was doing it in a corrupt or illegal manner when that wasn't true and right wings hardliners jumped at the opportunity to use that ignorance and gullibility of the masses to hijack the GOP sphere
Trump is trying to replicate the same and have the same impact as Obama on the direction of the US govt and policy's
But
Trump and all the people have hired tried to go even further than Obama and by the sheer volume of losses in the courts ..are trying to do so ILLEGALLY and NOT within the framework of the US law's, and the US Constitution and don't understand the levers of the US government to accomplish their agenda like Obama did
Granted Obama tested some of those walls but his stuff holds up in Court, over time and at a high rate of success
. Trump's doesn't
Nah, I'm good on that. I've been to plenty of churches in my life. I've been to my wifes church in Nebraska plenty of time, actually liked most of what the pastor preached. Until he mentioned "loving everybody" and the people forced him out for a MAGA lover.
I'm sure there are a lot of "good" churches to attend.
They are FAR overshadowed by the bad ones. Mega churches, "pastors" with multi million dollar homes and private jets, bullying minority groups from the pulpit, siding with ANY political figures, fleecing congregations of money in the name of Jesus...and of course the whole pedo thing.
This society uses the bible to demonize the gay community, immigrants, and uses it to decide what women can do, say, and feel. The people on this board that are the most "anti-everything" are usually the ones who say they have the strongest faith.
The loudest voices in most religions are the most unhinged. Until your "good" churches and people of faith shout down the loud/bad ones, I will continue to assume they are all complicit and like minded.
I think Jesus would be absolutely appalled at people revering Charlie Kirk and his hateful message. If you think Jesus' teachings align with what Charlie Kirk stood for, then that's all I need to know.
These text messages between Robinson and his roommate have real "how do you do fellow kids" vibes. Until we see actual screenshots, I have a hard time believing a single word of it
Exclusive: Leaked Messages from Charlie Kirk Assassin
Accused shooter’s “politics” is not what government and media say
Ken KlippensteinSep 16, 2025
Tyler Robinson (left) camping at Gold Butte National Monument, Nevada
“Hey guys, I have bad news for you all … it was me at UVU yesterday.” Thus Tyler Robinson messaged his friends on Discord, seemingly apologizing for murdering Charlie Kirk. “I’m sorry for all of this.”
I obtained this and other Discord chats I’ve decided to publish (the legacy news media, as usual, refuses), along with new information I’ve learned about Robinson from the people who knew him best.
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Screenshot of leaked Discord message from Tyler Robinson (username: zealous_monkey_55095; other usernames redacted)
Trump and company portray the alleged Utah shooter as left-wing and liberals portray him as right-wing. The federal conclusion will inevitably be that he was a so-called Nihilist Violent Extremist (NVE); meanwhile, the crackdown has already begun, as I reported yesterday. The country is practically ready to go to war.
“It’s been so terrible and seeing it from an inside perspective is so frustrating,” a friend of Robinson’s since middle school told me. The childhood friend, who asked not to be named for fear of threats, provided me with the above non-public photo of Robinson on a camping trip (a favorite activity of his) to corroborate their relationship.
“I think the main thing that’s caused so much confusion is that he was always generally apolitical for the most part,” the friend told me. “That's the big thing, he just never really talked politics which is why it's so frustrating.”
The picture that emerges bears little resemblance to the media version. Robinson, I am told, though quiet, was a well-liked person with a supportive family. The friend group who he interacted with on Discord, far from some kind of militia camp or Antifa bunker it’s been portrayed as, represented a range of different political views but mostly talked video games.
Yesterday, FBI Director Kash Patel said in an interview that Robinson “subscribed to left-wing ideology,” citing his family’s remarks to investigators. But those close to Robinson say there was a lot his family didn’t know about him.
“Their ideas are based on someone they didn't fully understand,” the childhood friend told me. Though the family was generally supportive of Robinson (a claim corroborated by his mother’s Facebook account, brimming with praise for Tyler) they didn’t seem to know about his relationship with a transgender person named Lance, the friend said.
When I asked if his family would have been accepting, the friend replied: “I don't think even Tyler knew the answer to that question, which is why he kept it so low key between themselves.”
Tyler’s bisexuality, the friend said, was coupled with openness on LGBT issues. But his wasn’t some cookie cutter lefty position on every or even most issues, his friends say.
“Obviously he's okay with gay and trans people having a right to exist, but also believes in the Second Amendment,” the friend said, referring to the right to bear arms.
The friend described Robinson as fairly typical of a young man his age from Utah: someone who loved the outdoors, was a gamer, and into guns.
“To all of us he just seemed like a simple guy who liked playing games like Sea of Thieves, Deep Rock Galactic and Helldivers 2, loved to fish and loved to camp,” the friend said. “It really did seem like that’s all he was about.”
The phrase inscribed on one of the bullet casings from the shooting — “Hey fascist, catch!” — though widely reported to mean he was a man of the left, is in fact a reference to the Helldivers 2 game. Three arrows initially believed by federal agents to be a reference to Antifa are also a reference to Helldivers.
Private Discord messages shared with me by a friend of Robinson’s confirm that Robinson wasn’t some political martyr. A search for posts of Robinson’s containing keywords like “Biden” and “Trump” turned up just one hit each. The Trump post was a passing reference to the 2019 impeachment inquiry. The Biden one came on the day of the 2020 election, where he provided an update to another friend asking about the status of the vote count.
The childhood friend is a member of multiple Discord chats with Robinson. He described the group as trying to grapple with Robinson’s motive just like everyone else.
“Even the goodbye message he sent in one of our servers [where Discord chats are hosted] was so hard to believe, we all just thought, what a weird joke to make … then the news came out and we all were calling each other saying check the news,” he said. “Yeah I don’t know what makes a person like him decide he’s going to drive 260 miles upstate to shoot someone like Charlie Kirk, then come back like nothing happened. It leaves a lot of room for speculation and theories which is why I think they’re so rampant.”
Part of the confusion he attributes to Tyler’s quiet nature.
“He was a really smart guy but super hard to read, stone cold poker face and you could always never be confident assuming anything.”
When I asked if he opened up to anyone, the friend replied: “As far as we knew he was opened up.”
Despite his verbal reticence, Robinson was not a loner, according to his friends. Unlike the stereotypical outcast shooter driven to violence by social rejection, he was apparently amiable and well-liked.
“Everyone who knew him liked him and he was always nice, a little quiet and kept to himself mostly but wasn't a recluse,” the childhood friend said.
“Regardless of the horrible actions that took place we must take this moment to remember that God is a living and loving God who loves all his children,” a Discord post from another friend posted the day after the shooting reads. “While Charlie Kirk's politics were not acceptable to some l ask that we all say a prayer for him and his family during these confusing times.”
“The last message is religious in nature which just goes to show the apolitical nature of the server, we all have pretty differing views on politics,” the friend said of the discord post. “We all just exist as friends and just play stuff.”
Cat memes, weather updates, home improvement and the odd Garfield reference populate Robinson’s posts.
“I’m going to eep pretty soon, very eepy,” he said in one post, an intentionally silly misspelling of the word “sleep” — a common Gen Z convention.
Screenshot of another Discord chat where Robinson went by the username “Bedbuge Inspector”
The federal government, the Washington crowd and corporate media (based in Washington and New York) see the country in wholly partisan terms, Republican versus Democrat, Red versus Blue, old media versus social media, liberal versus conservative, right versus left, straight versus gay, and on and on. Charlie Kirk’s assassination (in Utah!) should remind us of the actual diversity of the nation, and of the cost of polarization that demonizes the other side.
No one in Robinson’s group is cheering or justifying the murder in any of the messages I reviewed. They’re just struggling to understand what their friend did. But Washington has become obsessed with the Discord chat, convinced it’s some kind of headquarters for the murder and cauldron of radicalization and conspiracy. Today FBI Director Patel vowed to investigate “anyone and everyone in that Discord chat.”
What I see is a bunch of young people shocked, horrified and searching for answers, like the rest of the country.
Polds4OSU
Marshall
And for some of his followers you have to call them on it for each step because they won't do independent research or verification on their own.
If you tell them something Trump quoted while on a live broadcast and they don't believe he said it. They will say he didn't say that and never even bother to later go verify
If it wasn't on Fox or OAN it wasn't real and we flat out see Fox and OAN 100% ignoring and not broadcasting negative or detrimental things for Trump. Like the epstein survivors stuff a few weeks ago
Stillwater Townie
Ranger
It's really about wealth envy? The Ten Commandment said, "You shall not covet".
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