US continues to go backward...

GratefulPoke said:
www.wired.com

Palantir Is Helping DOGE With a Massive IRS Data Project

For the past three days, DOGE and a handful of Palantir representatives, along with dozens of career IRS engineers, have been collaborating to build a “mega API,” WIRED has learned.
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My prediction is that this data will be weaponized against this administration's political opponents in the future.
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Has a president every used the IRS against opponents before....checks notes....it was (D)ifferent then.
 
CowboyJD said:
Did you actually read the bill?

I did.

And it doesn’t do what your post says.

In fact, for many of those claims in your post it provides for the complete opposite.
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I read some of it. I tried to find the section where it says a nine year old can leave campus without parental notice and the closest thing I found to leaving campus and parental notice is this (I cleaned it up and took out stricken language):

(e) To receive immediate notification if law enforcement personnel question their child during a custodial interrogation at the school during the school day, except in cases where the parent or legal guardian has been accused of abusing or neglecting the child;​
(f) To not have their child removed from school grounds or buildings during school hours without authorization of a parent or legal guardian according to the provisions in RCW 28A.605.010. Nothing in this section affects the provisions in RCW 74.15.020, 13.32A.082, 926.44.050, or 26.44.115;​

I text searched the following terms: campus, school, nine, 9, leave, notice, notify. This was the only section I found that pertained to a student leaving campus. I could not find a clause that said a nine year old can leave campus without parental notification.
 
RxCowboy said:
Imma wait and see what happens with this... but Imma not wait to call out your tu quoque. Defend what is happening.
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I'm not defending a damn thing. Just know there are good reasons as to why people are not freaking out at the level that you feel they should be.
Can't choose to sleep on these abuses of power for years on end and just wake up one day with your hair on fire.
 
Rob B. said:
I posted the bill with it. Fact check it yourself.
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So you did read the bill and came away with those takes? The free parts I fact checked showed your post was wrong. Others have posted proof that parts of your post are wrong. I can’t do the same now but can later if you would like
 
Verbal said:
So you did read the bill and came away with those takes? The free parts I fact checked showed your post was wrong. Others have posted proof that parts of your post are wrong. I can’t do the same now but can later if you would like
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I’d doubt he read the actual bill….unless he comes in and says he did.

Then I’ll have other questions about why he chose to post clearly false claims after reading the bill.
 
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Stillwaterman said:
I'm not defending a damn thing. Just know there are good reasons as to why people are not freaking out at the level that you feel they should be.
Can't choose to sleep on these abuses of power for years on end and just wake up one day with your hair on fire.
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There are problems with what you are saying. I don't think you have good reasons.

1. They specifically ran on "drain the swamp" to get supposedly get rid of these abuses of power. Increasing them and just going after other people is something to freak out about. It would be the equivalent of Trump running pro-life as he did then after getting elected signing an exec order to have Medicaid pay for abortion then saying "well, Biden did pro-choice stuff too." They are doing the opposite of what voters were told. But since the voters don't like who they are abusing, they are making excuses instead of demanding responsible government.

2. They have added many more abuses of power that were not happening before:
-Firing inspectors general. These are the offices that independently ensure that the government is accountable. By firing them and putting in his own cronies, he is showing that he wants to move even further away from accountability to the taxpayer
-Making career federal employee positions, Schedule F. Since the 1880s, laws have prevented most federal workers from being fired for politics. Only the politically appointed heads were Sch F. Now, Trump has broadened this to anyone that makes policy decisions. I do that. So, I'm a doc running a small program in the VA, and Trump, in theory at least, could fire me if he didn't like the opinions I have expressed on this board. Even worse, he could fire EPA scientists for reporting science that goes against his politics.
-Appointing people who do not meet the qualifications of the job but are loyal. He fired a black Chairman of the Joint Chiefs and replaced him with a white guy that likes him but needed a waiver as he was not qualified. Exactly against their anti-DEI claims.
-Ignoring due process-examples all over this board


Yes, some abuses of power did come out, typically after the fact, and also typically relatively few people involved and were investigated. That does not in any way justify the systematic and severe abuses of power that are happening now.
 
steross said:
There are problems with what you are saying. I don't think you have good reasons.

1. They specifically ran on "drain the swamp" to get supposedly get rid of these abuses of power. Increasing them and just going after other people is something to freak out about. It would be the equivalent of Trump running pro-life as he did then after getting elected signing an exec order to have Medicaid pay for abortion then saying "well, Biden did pro-choice stuff too. They are doing the opposite of what voters were told. But since the voters don't like who they are abusing, they are making excuses instead of demanding responsible government.

2. They have added many more abuses of power that were not happening before:
-Firing inspectors general. These are the offices that independently ensure that the government is accountable. By firing them and putting in his own cronies, he is showing that he wants to move even further away from accountability to the taxpayer
-Making career federal employee positions, Schedule F. Since the 1880s, laws have prevented most federal workers from being fired for politics. Only the politically appointed heads were Sch F. Now, Trump has broadened this to anyone that makes policy decisions. I do that. So, I'm a doc running a small program in the VA, and Trump, in theory at least, could fire me if he didn't like the opinions I have expressed on this board. Even worse, he could fire EPA scientists for reporting science that goes against his politics.
-Appointing people who do not meet the qualifications of the job but are loyal. He fired a black Chairman of the Joint Chiefs and replaced him with a white guy that likes him but needed a waiver as he was not qualified. Exactly against their anti-DEI claims.
-Ignoring due process-examples all over this board


Yes, some abuses of power did come out, typically after the fact, and also typically relatively few people involved and were investigated. That does not in any way justify the systematic and severe abuses of power that are happening now.
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Plus he sets a precedent. This supreme court has given the executive office extremely broad authority to do whatever they want and they are using this authority to show how incompetent they are. The next administration might not be so incompetent and there is no guarantee that they will share the same political ideals as the current one. Imagine in 12 years if AOC has all the power Trump does not, but puts people in place who are extremely capable of pushing her agenda. And the "3rd term" push means she can run for as many terms as she wants to beginning at the age of 40.
 
steross said:
There are problems with what you are saying. I don't think you have good reasons.

1. They specifically ran on "drain the swamp" to get supposedly get rid of these abuses of power. Increasing them and just going after other people is something to freak out about. It would be the equivalent of Trump running pro-life as he did then after getting elected signing an exec order to have Medicaid pay for abortion then saying "well, Biden did pro-choice stuff too." They are doing the opposite of what voters were told. But since the voters don't like who they are abusing, they are making excuses instead of demanding responsible government.

2. They have added many more abuses of power that were not happening before:
-Firing inspectors general. These are the offices that independently ensure that the government is accountable. By firing them and putting in his own cronies, he is showing that he wants to move even further away from accountability to the taxpayer
-Making career federal employee positions, Schedule F. Since the 1880s, laws have prevented most federal workers from being fired for politics. Only the politically appointed heads were Sch F. Now, Trump has broadened this to anyone that makes policy decisions. I do that. So, I'm a doc running a small program in the VA, and Trump, in theory at least, could fire me if he didn't like the opinions I have expressed on this board. Even worse, he could fire EPA scientists for reporting science that goes against his politics.
-Appointing people who do not meet the qualifications of the job but are loyal. He fired a black Chairman of the Joint Chiefs and replaced him with a white guy that likes him but needed a waiver as he was not qualified. Exactly against their anti-DEI claims.
-Ignoring due process-examples all over this board


Yes, some abuses of power did come out, typically after the fact, and also typically relatively few people involved and were investigated. That does not in any way justify the systematic and severe abuses of power that are happening now.
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Sorry to be dense but the story has been "this time its different" since I've cared to start following politics. Quit honestly, I probably just need to quit because the only thing that changes are the people calling me a dumbass for not getting up in arms about it. This time a eight years ago the President was a Russian colluder selling us out. Four years-ago it was the crazy socialist pushing us to communism. Think about all the things said about Obama that were nuts? All of it total BS. Bush took more heat that Trump is getting now. The media was weaponized since Clinton got caught with his pants down and everyone has been at each other's throats since and much of it has been over the top sensationalism. I'll have the same frame of mind in 4 years and my R buddies will be telling me an idiot for not buying the rhetoric about the new democratic president/majority.

And just in general and being outside of abuse of power, I'm tired of everyone's ever changing broken moral compass. I mean all the stuff that occurred over the past four years was OK.....and now its all really bad?

I know I know....I just need to follow through with sentence #2.
 
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BREAM: The nonpartisan Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget calls the budget "an absolute disgrace." The GOP is supposed to be the party of fiscal discipline. Why did you vote yes?

LANKFORD: That is the wonderful DC math that's coming through on this
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BREAM: The nonpartisan Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget calls the budget "an absolute disgrace." The GOP is supposed to be the party of fiscal discipline. Why did you vote yes? LANKFORD: That is the wonderful DC math that's coming through on this
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Stillwaterman said:
Sorry to be dense but the story has been "this time its different" since I've cared to start following politics. Quit honestly, I probably just need to quit because the only thing that changes are the people calling me a dumbass for not getting up in arms about it. This time a eight years ago the President was a Russian colluder selling us out. Four years-ago it was the crazy socialist pushing us to communism. Think about all the things said about Obama that were nuts? All of it total BS. Bush took more heat that Trump is getting now. The media was weaponized since Clinton got caught with his pants down and everyone has been at each other's throats since and much of it has been over the top sensationalism. I'll have the same frame of mind in 4 years and my R buddies will be telling me an idiot for not buying the rhetoric about the new democratic president/majority.

And just in general and being outside of abuse of power, I'm tired of everyone's ever changing broken moral compass. I mean all the stuff that occurred over the past four years was OK.....and now its all really bad?

I know I know....I just need to follow through with sentence #1.
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After this post, I agree you should just quit.

If you are going to take my specific and detailed list of things that the administration is doing, not rumors, not claims, but what the administration itself is saying it is doing, and respond with a list of conspiracy BS and try to act super-sensitive because you are just so frustrated comparing current facts to prior rumors then, yea, you should absolutely just shut this stuff off. At the point you cannot be any more discriminating of the spin mill and the actions of the politicians than what you just wrote, you are better off not looking at all.
 
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steross said:
After this post, I agree you should just quit.

If you are going to take my specific and detailed list of things that the administration is doing, not rumors, not claims, but what the administration itself is saying it is doing, and respond with a list of conspiracy BS and try to act super-sensitive because you are just so frustrated comparing current facts to prior rumors then, yea, you should absolutely just shut this stuff off. At the point you cannot be any more discriminating of the spin mill and the actions of the politicians than what you just wrote, you are better off not looking at all.
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I'll concede. Your points are valid.

That post was just a rant on the general temperature of politics over the past 20 years that's been brewing and not a legitimate response to your post. I just wish the temperature would get turned down a notch, but it seems with every move it gets hotter.

And possibly I am just an idiot for continuing to believe everything is ok.
 
Stillwaterman said:
Can't choose to sleep on these abuses of power for years on end and just wake up one day with your hair on fire.
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I didn't sleep on Clinton's weaponizing of FBI files. I am a conservative and was a Republican at the time. So for me to criticize both Clinton and then Trump for abusing power and information is entirely consistent. You, however, are a hypocrite for bring up Clinton and saying nothing about Trump abusing the same power.
 
Polds4OSU said:
BREAM: The nonpartisan Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget calls the budget "an absolute disgrace." The GOP is supposed to be the party of fiscal discipline. Why did you vote yes?

LANKFORD: That is the wonderful DC math that's coming through on this
www.threads.net

Aaron Rupar (@aaron.rupar) on Threads

BREAM: The nonpartisan Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget calls the budget "an absolute disgrace." The GOP is supposed to be the party of fiscal discipline. Why did you vote yes? LANKFORD: That is the wonderful DC math that's coming through on this
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How many times do I have to say it? Trump is not a conservative, and I do not see any conservatives presently in the Republican Party. MAGA certainly isn't conservative. They want to spend every dollar and then some, they want to enlarge government and then some, they just have different priorities than the Democrats. The problem with MAGA is that there are no guiding principles behind the priorities and they can change on a whim.

Go listen to JFK's inauguration speech, or any of his state of the union addresses and you'll hear guiding principles (and they are different than the current Democrats). Do the same for Ronald Reagan and again you'll hear clear guiding principles (and they are different than the current Republicans). I simply see no guiding principles among Trump, MAGA, or the current GOP, and that's why I'm no longer one.
 
Stillwaterman said:
I'll concede. Your points are valid.

That post was just a rant on the general temperature of politics over the past 20 years that's been brewing and not a legitimate response to your post. I just wish the temperature would get turned down a notch, but it seems with every move it gets hotter.

And possibly I am just an idiot for continuing to believe everything is ok.
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Well, thanks for this reasonable response instead of upping it once more.

You won't find many posts from me on "Russia collusion" as that was pretty much rumor. I spoke a lot about the "stolen election" because if that had had truth, they would have found at least one court of the 60-something courts to be on their side. I was pretty pissed when the Obama IRS was found to have targeted people. It isn't as you were saying where most people are only morally opposed to one side's wrongs.

I really hope I am wrong, but this Trump is different from the 1st Trump. First Trump my complaints were too much spending during a good economy and some of his COVID stuff was stupid, typical whines about a president. And he is divisive. This one, the things he is doing concerns me more. If I had to bet on the survival of the republic, sure, I think most likely it will. But, for the first time in my life, I am concerned that we could be fundamentally changing our government. And, I don't like the worst case scenario of what is happening.
 
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