The Texas Democrat Joe Rogan wants to run for POTUS

[Donnyboy]

He is leading in the polls over Jasmine Crockett, so necessarily agree with that approximation. When looking at their platforms, his platform is to the left of hers, public comments nonwithstanding. She talks a big game, but is bought and paid for and uninterested in really addressing the root of the problem.

Are you meaning his demeanor is more moderate?

What I have been seeing Crockett is leading early voting has started and oddly enough the polls get worse at the beginning cause people grab exit polls in areas they chose . I hope you’re right:

He is what we need. I don’t agree with him on everything but I don’t agree with anyone on everything but he I believe he listens to both sides and he communicates in a way that in the things you don’t agree with him with you understand why. His reasons not a party tag line. I have never heard him start a sentence much less every single one with something like “ in Trump, Cruz, Abbot’s America” Paxton as a state attorney blamed everything on Biden and would even bring up Hunter while dealing with a very public messy divorce. Crockett can’t talk 30 seconds without saying Trump/MAGA. I really hope he wins and then I hope Washington doesn’t corrupt him……Obama wasn’t in office very long when he ran.

 

[Polds4OSU]

They are trying really hard to suppress this guy

Today Trump's FCC henchmen Brendan Carr-scumbag who tried to get Jimmy Kimmel fired--claims issue on Colbert show with James Talarico is a "hoax" and he never pressured CBS to not have on Talarico. In reality, just 2 weeks ago Carr opened investigation into The View for having Talarico on the show!! https://www.fox7austin.com/news/fcc-opening-probe-the-view-after-appearance-talarico

 

[cowboyinexile]

I see it now. The argument against Talarico is that he may be the next Fetterman. You know, a dem who sometimes votes his conscious and doesn't follow the party line 100% of the time. Not that he will or that he has in the past-just that he might if he gets elected. That's an interstate argument against someone when you don't really have an argument against them.

Mechee (@mecheemarvel) on Threads

Talerico gives me Fetterman vibes. No, I'm not explaining. IYKYK

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[GratefulPoke]

I see it now. The argument against Talarico is that he may be the next Fetterman. You know, a dem who sometimes votes his conscious and doesn't follow the party line 100% of the time. Not that he will or that he has in the past-just that he might if he gets elected. That's an interstate argument against someone when you don't really have an argument against them.

Mechee (@mecheemarvel) on Threads

Talerico gives me Fetterman vibes. No, I'm not explaining. IYKYK

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John Fetterman, best known for voting his "coinscience"

 

[JTOSU]

John Fetterman, best known for voting his "coinscience"

There are very few members of congress that vote independently and the vast majority vote the party line. IMO, Fetterman is a great example of someone that is more true to himself than the party. I am sure there are others, but can’t think of any other current members of congress like that (maybe Cuellar and Collins) …..(ie former members like McCain, Liberman, Sasse, Manchin, Flake,)

 

[cowboyinexile]

John Fetterman, best known for voting his "coinscience"

He's not a rubber stamp.

 

[GratefulPoke]

He's not a rubber stamp.

In probably the worst way possible. He is not a guy we need more politicians to emulate. At all.

 

[CowboyJD]

He's not a rubber stamp.

In probably the worst way possible. He is not a guy we need more politicians to emulate. At all.

I think the saying is, "follow the money".

 

[cowboyinexile]

I think the saying is, "follow the money".

I don't follow him that closely. I just remember the dems loved him because he was a tell it like it is guy and then he had a stroke. After that he gets a lot of hate from the left but I assumed that was because he wasn't a rubber stamp.

Looking at it a little his ties with Israel are concerning. Im not anti Israel but I know how they are with our government and politicians who visit there a lot should be viewed with scrutiny.

 

[UpGrayedd Double Dose]

In probably the worst way possible. He is not a guy we need more politicians to emulate. At all.

Honest question because I have not really followed Fetterman, other than being a slob and bringing down the "class" of the upper chamber, what has Fetterman done that should not be emulated?

 

[Polds4OSU]

Honest question because I have not really followed Fetterman, other than being a slob and bringing down the "class" of the upper chamber, what has Fetterman done that should not be emulated?

• Emotional instability—reportedly breaking down crying and threatening to skip a vote.
• Hiding a serious car accident that injured his wife where he allegedly fell asleep while driving and causing the wreck.
• Staff describing him as struggling to function in office.
  These revelations led some commentators to publicly say he should resign. [independent.co.uk]

Several outlets described a pattern of disturbing incidents:

• Reckless driving, speeding, texting while driving, and reading news articles behind the wheel.
• Numerous incidents of wandering into traffic or walking into groups of people in the Capitol tunnels.
• Confrontations with flight crews about wearing his seatbelt correctly.
  These reports raised questions about whether he was following medical guidance after his 2022 stroke. [newrepublic.com], [foxnews.com], [mediaite.com]

Former staffers described:

• “Conspiratorial thinking,” “megalomania,” and long, rambling monologues.
• Concerns that he was not taking prescribed medication or attending required medical follow‑ups.
• A sharp personality shift months after being treated for depression at Walter Reed.
  Fetterman publicly denied these allegations, calling them “a hit piece.” [newrepublic.com], [cbsnews.com]

Multiple reports describe:

• High staff turnover in his Senate office.
• Staffers disturbed by his shifting foreign‑policy stances and temperament.
• Some saying he became “almost impossible to work for.”
  A particularly notable incident involved staff worrying after he was found sitting alone at an event appearing unwell. [foxnews.com], [mediaite.com]

Reported examples include:

• Slamming his fist on a desk, yelling “Why does everyone hate me?” in a meeting with a teachers’ union.
• Frequent “angry, confrontational” outbursts according to former staff.
  His office often dismissed these instances as “spirited discussions.” [cbsnews.com]

 

[Pokey]

• Emotional instability—reportedly breaking down crying and threatening to skip a vote.
• Hiding a serious car accident that injured his wife where he allegedly fell asleep while driving and causing the wreck.
• Staff describing him as struggling to function in office.
  These revelations led some commentators to publicly say he should resign. [independent.co.uk]

Several outlets described a pattern of disturbing incidents:

• Reckless driving, speeding, texting while driving, and reading news articles behind the wheel.
• Numerous incidents of wandering into traffic or walking into groups of people in the Capitol tunnels.
• Confrontations with flight crews about wearing his seatbelt correctly.
  These reports raised questions about whether he was following medical guidance after his 2022 stroke. [newrepublic.com], [foxnews.com], [mediaite.com]

Former staffers described:

• “Conspiratorial thinking,” “megalomania,” and long, rambling monologues.
• Concerns that he was not taking prescribed medication or attending required medical follow‑ups.
• A sharp personality shift months after being treated for depression at Walter Reed.
  Fetterman publicly denied these allegations, calling them “a hit piece.” [newrepublic.com], [cbsnews.com]

Multiple reports describe:

• High staff turnover in his Senate office.
• Staffers disturbed by his shifting foreign‑policy stances and temperament.
• Some saying he became “almost impossible to work for.”
  A particularly notable incident involved staff worrying after he was found sitting alone at an event appearing unwell. [foxnews.com], [mediaite.com]

Reported examples include:

• Slamming his fist on a desk, yelling “Why does everyone hate me?” in a meeting with a teachers’ union.
• Frequent “angry, confrontational” outbursts according to former staff.
  His office often dismissed these instances as “spirited discussions.” [cbsnews.com]

Is this description about Fetterman or tRump? IMO I’d rather have a slob than a self worshiping wannabe criminal dictator any day. We need every vote.

 

[GratefulPoke]

Honest question because I have not really followed Fetterman, other than being a slob and bringing down the "class" of the upper chamber, what has Fetterman done that should not be emulated?

I could care less with how he dresses and the senate could probably use more people with hoodies and jorts.

My issues are strictly with what he has (and hasn't) done.
1) Voting to confirm the many of Trump's cabinet including Doug Burgum, Sean Duffy, John Ratcliffe, Brooke Rollins and Scott Bessent
2) Taking massive amounts of Israel Lobby Groups money (https://www.trackaipac.com/states/pennsylvania?rq=john fetterman) in addition to the other corporate PACs
3) He has repeatedly defended ICE from scrutiny and has voted to keep DHS open.

On top of that he has missed a large amount of votes, but due to the above, maybe that isn't so bad.

There is no middle ground in fascism, so trying to find it is a fools errand at this point. The GOP is a fascist party as it is currently composed.

 

[UpGrayedd Double Dose]

• Emotional instability—reportedly breaking down crying and threatening to skip a vote.
• Hiding a serious car accident that injured his wife where he allegedly fell asleep while driving and causing the wreck.
• Staff describing him as struggling to function in office.
  These revelations led some commentators to publicly say he should resign. [independent.co.uk]

Several outlets described a pattern of disturbing incidents:

• Reckless driving, speeding, texting while driving, and reading news articles behind the wheel.
• Numerous incidents of wandering into traffic or walking into groups of people in the Capitol tunnels.
• Confrontations with flight crews about wearing his seatbelt correctly.
  These reports raised questions about whether he was following medical guidance after his 2022 stroke. [newrepublic.com], [foxnews.com], [mediaite.com]

Former staffers described:

• “Conspiratorial thinking,” “megalomania,” and long, rambling monologues.
• Concerns that he was not taking prescribed medication or attending required medical follow‑ups.
• A sharp personality shift months after being treated for depression at Walter Reed.
  Fetterman publicly denied these allegations, calling them “a hit piece.” [newrepublic.com], [cbsnews.com]

Multiple reports describe:

• High staff turnover in his Senate office.
• Staffers disturbed by his shifting foreign‑policy stances and temperament.
• Some saying he became “almost impossible to work for.”
  A particularly notable incident involved staff worrying after he was found sitting alone at an event appearing unwell. [foxnews.com], [mediaite.com]

Reported examples include:

• Slamming his fist on a desk, yelling “Why does everyone hate me?” in a meeting with a teachers’ union.
• Frequent “angry, confrontational” outbursts according to former staff.
  His office often dismissed these instances as “spirited discussions.” [cbsnews.com]

Not defending Fetterman, but this could describe a lot of congress critters.

 

[UpGrayedd Double Dose]

I could care less with how he dresses and the senate could probably use more people with hoodies and jorts.

My issues are strictly with what he has (and hasn't) done.
1) Voting to confirm the many of Trump's cabinet including Doug Burgum, Sean Duffy, John Ratcliffe, Brooke Rollins and Scott Bessent
2) Taking massive amounts of Israel Lobby Groups money (https://www.trackaipac.com/states/pennsylvania?rq=john fetterman) in addition to the other corporate PACs
3) He has repeatedly defended ICE from scrutiny and has voted to keep DHS open.

On top of that he has missed a large amount of votes, but due to the above, maybe that isn't so bad.

There is no middle ground in fascism, so trying to find it is a fools errand at this point. The GOP is a fascist party as it is currently composed.

I say this with all due respect, and I sincerely mean that because I value your opinion. Even though we sometimes disagree, you are consistently a voice of reason. However, based on the examples above, is your opposition to Fetterman because he doesn't vote like a good Democrat should? The original nod to Fetterman was that he doesn't always tow the party line, which is pretty much what you described. Now if he is doing that for purely self serving reasons, that's wrong. However, if he is voting how his constituents want (and I have no idea, just making a point), then I can respect that even if I don't necessarily agree with his votes. With all that said, I agree that we are heading towards fascism, and that it needs to be stopped.

 

[cowboyinexile]

I could care less with how he dresses and the senate could probably use more people with hoodies and jorts.

My issues are strictly with what he has (and hasn't) done.
1) Voting to confirm the many of Trump's cabinet including Doug Burgum, Sean Duffy, John Ratcliffe, Brooke Rollins and Scott Bessent
2) Taking massive amounts of Israel Lobby Groups money (https://www.trackaipac.com/states/pennsylvania?rq=john fetterman) in addition to the other corporate PACs
3) He has repeatedly defended ICE from scrutiny and has voted to keep DHS open.

On top of that he has missed a large amount of votes, but due to the above, maybe that isn't so bad.

There is no middle ground in fascism, so trying to find it is a fools errand at this point. The GOP is a fascist party as it is currently composed.

Some of his cabinet I get-no one in their right mind should have voted for Hegseth (not sure if he did) but some on your list are more people that aren't great politically versus outright unqualified for the jobs they were given. In the past most cabinet secretaries were confirmed in a bipartisan manner. I can't fault someone for saying I don't like the person but Im not going to block them because of the letter in front of their name.

The Israel issue-I agree this is cause for concern. That being said if we dumped every person that was tight with Israel we would have to get rid of alot of people. Not that this would be a terrible idea though.

 

[GratefulPoke]

I say this with all due respect, and I sincerely mean that because I value your opinion. Even though we sometimes disagree, you are consistently a voice of reason. However, based on the examples above, is your opposition to Fetterman because he doesn't vote like a good Democrat should? The original nod to Fetterman was that he doesn't always tow the party line, which is pretty much what you described. Now if he is doing that for purely self serving reasons, that's wrong. However, if he is voting how his constituents want (and I have no idea, just making a point), then I can respect that even if I don't necessarily agree with his votes. With all that said, I agree that we are heading towards fascism, and that it needs to be stopped.

No, and I am not even sure what a "good democrat" is. I despise the DNC establishment types.

I view this through a moral/ethical lens. Fetterman didn't vote against the democratic establishment because of his principles, he voted against them for political expediency and that is what his new PAC donors wanted him to do. He defended ICE after their murders of Good and Pretti. These are very different motives, no? As @CowboyJD said, follow the money.

My example of someone who I disagree with on a lot of things with not toeing the party line would be Thomas Massie. He is absolutely sticking to his guns over the Epstein files. He is not getting PAC money to do so and is going to get a well funded primary challenger for his efforts. It is not politically expedient for him to do this, at least in the short to medium term.

 

[GratefulPoke]

Some of his cabinet I get-no one in their right mind should have voted for Hegseth (not sure if he did) but some on your list are more people that aren't great politically versus outright unqualified for the jobs they were given. In the past most cabinet secretaries were confirmed in a bipartisan manner. I can't fault someone for saying I don't like the person but Im not going to block them because of the letter in front of their name.

The Israel issue-I agree this is cause for concern. That being said if we dumped every person that was tight with Israel we would have to get rid of alot of people. Not that this would be a terrible idea though.

Roughly 80% of congress is on the take from Israeli PAC money. Its why our government continues to give them billions of dollars a year and a continuous supply of arms while they carry out a genocide. Keep in mind a majority of americans want to end support at this point (its a majority of democrats and independents, a plurality of republicans).

I think it is strange that we essentially allow a lobby group on behalf of a foreign government to operate domestically and donate large amounts of funds in elections

 

[steross]

No, and I am not even sure what a "good democrat" is. I despise the DNC establishment types.

I'd just like to add, it is almost impossible to be a "good democrat" or a "good republican." Massie was mentioned and while I applaud him, he has possibly ended his career to be a good republican.

Worse than the DNC establishment types is the machinery built into our system that makes it almost a heroic effort to be elected and not be that type. Between the power of the parties, the power of lobbying money, and the power of incumbency we have a prototype politician that everyone hates but also everyone votes for as rarely is there any other real choice.

 

[GratefulPoke]

I'd just like to add, it is almost impossible to be a "good democrat" or a "good republican." Massie was mentioned and while I applaud him, he has possibly ended his career to be a good republican.

Worse than the DNC establishment types is the machinery built into our system that makes it almost a heroic effort to be elected and not be that type. Between the power of the parties, the power of lobbying money, and the power of incumbency we have a prototype politician that everyone hates but also everyone votes for as rarely is there any other real choice.

We need electoral reform.

Fortunately, we don't need politicians to sign on to it. We can do it ourselves as long as enough people are mobilized.