Poll - Should ICE Be Abolished?

Would you support or oppose abolishing ICE?

  • Strongly support

    Votes: 6 46.2%
  • Somewhat support

    Votes: 2 15.4%
  • Unsure

    Votes: 4 30.8%
  • Somewhat oppose

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Strongly oppose

    Votes: 1 7.7%

  • Total voters
    13

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Hi! I found @cowboyinexile 's post yesterday about how this board skews as a sports forum populated by land grant university alumni from a very red state thought provoking and I wanted to test this theory with a recently polled question. Ive turned off public votes, so this is confidential.
 
YES YES YES 1000 X YES.

If you support ICE then you are NOT supporting Small Government Principles OR Conservative Fiscal Spending

1. We ALREADY had 2 agencies that did what ICE does prior.....And We STILL have both of them and they still have the same budgets. We created a NEW Govt Dept with NEW govt Budget to do the SAME THING 2 other departments already had covered

2. ICE was a knee jerk reaction to Sept 11th as were ALOT of other Govt Overreach Programs and surveillance. ALL OF that response should be Reviewed and IMHO shut down.

Here is an AI overview stating WHY I say to abolish it.


When Was ICE Created?​

The U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agency was officially formed on March 1, 2003 as part of the major federal reorganization triggered by the Homeland Security Act of 2002. [ice.gov], [legalclarity.org]

This reorganization followed the September 11, 2001 attacks and resulted in the creation of the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), into which ICE was placed. [legalclarity.org], [factually.co]


What System/Agencies Did ICE’s Job Before It Existed?​

Before ICE was created, its responsibilities were carried out by earlier agencies—primarily two major organizations:

1. Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS)

INS (under the Department of Justice) handled:

  • Immigration enforcement
  • Investigations
  • Detention and deportation
  • Visa and citizenship processing (though these were moved to USCIS after the 2003 reorganization)
ICE inherited the criminal enforcement, investigations, and immigration enforcement functions of INS. [legalclarity.org], [factually.co]

2. U.S. Customs Service

The Customs Service handled:

  • Customs enforcement
  • Trade and smuggling investigations
  • Import/export law enforcement
ICE absorbed the criminal investigative and customs enforcement functions of the U.S. Customs Service.


ICE Budget in 2003

When ICE was first launched in March 2003, its initial budget was approximately $3.3 billion.

ICE’s official FY 2026 operating request lists a baseline of about $11.3 billion.

ICE’s budget has more than tripled since its creation in 2003.


ICE now rivals—and in some scenarios exceeds—many national militaries

According to reporting on Trump-era and post‑2025 funding expansions:

  • ICE’s annual budget under the One Big Beautiful Bill Act was projected to rise from $8.7 billion to about $27.7 billion.
  • This level surpasses the military budgets of at least 23 countries in the world’s top 40 military spenders, including Iran, Turkey, Spain, and Mexico.
  • ICE’s annual funding would place it among the top 20 largest military budgets worldwide, between Canada (~$29.3 billion) and Turkey (~$25 billion).
    [independent.co.uk]
This means the U.S. interior immigration police agency now commands more resources annually than many sovereign defense forces.

Bottom Line

ICE is not just large by domestic standards—its budget is larger than the military spending of dozens of sovereign nations, rivals small national GDPs, and makes the U.S. the world leader in immigration enforcement spending by a wide margin.
 
I appreciate you keeping votes confidential, but I'm going to go on record with being the "unsure" vote.

Mostly because as a lawyer, I want to know exactly how "abolishing ICE" is defined and entails before I vote either way.

It, however, is clear to me that, at an absolute minimum, ICE should not be allowed to continue operating in the manner that it presently is
 
Hi! I found @cowboyinexile 's post yesterday about how this board skews as a sports forum populated by land grant university alumni from a very red state thought provoking and I wanted to test this theory with a recently polled question. Ive turned off public votes, so this is confidential.

Viva la Castro!

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Im an unsure vote. Prior to the current administration it was just another agency in the federal government. I ran across a reddit thread about it and from the sound of things they did what they were supposed to-immigration enforcement. In general the department had a decent working relationship with state and local authorities and wasn't seen as anything unusual or brutal. The current incarnation of that department has forced alot of former agents out because of moral reasons or being outed for not being supportive enough of the current administrations agenda. And they have been replaced with either the people you see in it now or federal agents from other departments who the administration wants to get rid of but can't for one reason or another (so they just put them in a no win situation professionally).

If it goes back to being some random federal agency most of us don't think that much about and we are able to weed out and prosecute bad apples I don't see a problem with it. The catch is I don't know that we can do that. Would anyone who is a decent human being want to work for ICE in 5 years knowing how they are perceived now? How would you feel working for an organization that ripped people out of their homes and killed people who protested? Im sure some would say they want to be part of the solution but it's still a federal agency and in the back of your mind you have to wonder what would happen mid career if we elect another Trump.

So I don't know. I would like to say that we can get stuff back to normal after Trump but I don't think we can.
 
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