If you're going to use cardboard cutouts, you're going to get at least a two dimensional team.
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Official - Eric Morris is the new OSU Coach!
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If you're going to use cardboard cutouts, you're going to get at least a two dimensional team.
Science , baaaybeee!
I'm ready to see what Morris & co can do; enough so that I'm tuning in to UNT games til he's wearing orange.
I'm filing Gundy away in the historical archives cause that's where he is. He can't hurt us anymore and it does a disservice to the new folks to keep harping on Gundy stuff. He gone
I'm filing Gundy away in the historical archives cause that's where he is. He can't hurt us anymore and it does a disservice to the new folks to keep harping on Gundy stuff. He gone
I’ve always used the filter of: did he/she leave the program in better shape than they found it?
Gundy’s legacy, alongside the total paradigm shift in college athletics makes for a complicated legacy that requires full context-not unlike other coaches of his generation. He’s not the first casualty, won’t be the last but it is what it is.
Fully excited for Morris and a new chapter. I’d echo a lot of the others here that are amped to see a new energy, new culture (buzzword!) and new approach.
zone2poke
Sheriff
That sounds pretty fair all the way around. I hope he does well and earns more soon.
All this so they can hire a slightly worse version of the coach they just fired?
zone2poke
Sheriff
Matt Campbell is a very good coach who's had success at a historical cellar-dweller. But is he better than Franklin? Don't know.
What was Franklin's previous job when Penn State hired him?
How many conference titles, playoff appearances, and non COVID year NYD bowls has he won? Ill give him credit-he has done alot with Iowa State in his time there. But we just fired a guy who had a better resume at this point in his career.
zone2poke
Sheriff
I agree, but as you note, when it comes to football, Iowa State is not Penn State.
True. And you never know-Saban didn't become the goat at Michigan State so give Campbell Penn State resources and you never know. I just think its funny that they spend millions to get rid of a guy whose biggest flaw was an inability to win the big one only to hire a guy whose biggest flaw is an inability to win huge games at his current school.
It might even be moot. I gotta give Campbell credit-its not the first time he has been linked to a bigger job than Iowa State and he has been loyal to that school so far. He might just be happy where he is right now.
Bet he’s cheaper…..
Cheaper than Franklins buyout?
Cheaper in every sense of the word.
With Franklin getting a new job Penn state saved about $40 million in buyout money. He was making about $9.5 million per year before performance incentives. Campbell is making $5 million per year at Iowa State.
Yeah, your math checks out.
Nevermind me-just carry on. Its always fun when you plan on using math to prove someone wrong and it just reinforces their point.
True, but they’re not quite the beast they think they are either. Egg all over their face on this one imo.
Campbell would’ve been a hot candidate 4 or 5 years ago but he’s hit a ceiling. I dont think he’ll excite their fanbase much, given the candidates that were being speculated about. Feels like he’s pretty far down that list.
Did NIL affect him the same way it affected us but only due to a different cause. We may have had a NIL available, but Gundy refused to accept it. Campbell may not have the NIL funds available at Iowa State.
Its a large land grant school that attracts farm kids from multiple states. Considering their alumni base and ag economy prior to this year Im guessing NIL funding isn't a major issue. They don't have Tech money but between them and Penn State I don't think it would be a major difference.
Finding reliable numbers on it is a bit sketchy but B1G schools avg AD revenue is double the avg Big12 school ($133 million to $62 million).
There’s a significant difference in the resources between the two schools.
I guess my take on Campbell is that he’s had similar resources to his peers in the Big 12 & can’t break through. Moving up in budget and class now doesn’t make me suddenly think he’ll perform better, given the fact his peers now have similar resources.
https://www.outkick.com/sports/college-football-calendar-issues-kiffin-sumrall-coaching-chaos
Here’s yet another article talking about how screwed up the whole fb calendar is.
Lastly, in this week’s CFP show we had the chair explaining Bama’s move over ND by saying how Bama beat a 5-6 unranked Auburn team and it was viewed as a great win. Huh? So an Auburn team who beat Baylor, Ball State, Arkansas, S. Alabama and Mercer is viewed as a quality win?
I’m convinced that a lot of the frustrations with the committee have to do with rotation of its members and consequently totally shifting criteria. FSU loses the QB? They’re out! Ole Miss loses their head coach? They’re in! Last year they’re saying a team won’t be penalized for losing a CCG and playing that extra game. This year they won’t commit to they. These guys move the goalposts all over the place.
Revenue yes. There is no question the Big 10 schools have more money than Big 12. Plus Penn State is by far the largest state school in their state whereas Iowa State has the University of Iowa to contend with. In addition Penn State can fit about 40K more fans in their stadium per game-assuming both places are at full capacity regularly that's a lot more dollars they can generate on Saturdays.
I was just talking in terms of NIL potential. Iowa State has a fairly large regional draw and benefit from land grant schools in Minnesota and Wisconsin being in urban environments (moreso Minnesota). Basically they are going to have a bunch of fans/alums who farm and although that doesn't create billionaire donors, it gives them a large alumni base who have been doing pretty well the last couple of decades and are probably ok kicking in a few bucks to the program. Im guessing both with their large alumni bases are equally likely to have a huge booster or two who can throw in real money.
I feel like ISU has a bit of an advantage based on location. There aren't any pro sports in Iowa-they are rooting for either Minnesota or Chicago teams generally but are kinda free agents when it comes to general pro sports loyalty. The two biggest population centers in Pennsylvania have multiple pro franchises-its basically like our basketball team before and after the Thunder showed up, only twice as bad for football because you have two historically great teams in the state.
TLDR: from a pure financial standpoint Penn State is better. In terms of NIL its probably a wash with one being better than the other depending on general fan interaction and that could go either way IMO
