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Giving these new orders to inadequately trained and overly armed goons who have been told they have total immunity is pretty meaningless unless they actually follow it/enforce it.
I’ll just say actions will speak larger than words
I am asking this sincerely and honestly….
1. @Rob B. :when you were talking about not agreeing with “breaking the law” when protesting…..did you POSSIBLY mean something more akin to using violence to break the law?
Or
2. Were you saying that you do not support the breaking of ANY laws at all as a means of protest…..peacefully or otherwise.
If you meant the former, I and I think most others could buy that.
If you, however, meant the latter, we’re gonna fundamentally disagree. Peaceful resistance to and violation of the law with a willingness to accept the consequences thereof is a fundamental precept of civil disobedience.
I’m asking this very pointed question because I don’t want to twist your words, but you sometimes don’t clearly and accurately make your position clear.
If you meant #1…all good. (And maybe everybody else misinterpreted your meaning)
If you meant #2….IMO, you’re on the wrong side of history, and everybody else interpreted your meaning clearly and aren’t twisting your words in any way.
This absolutely isn’t a gotcha type question. I’m not cross-examining you or accusing you of anything. I’m seeking clarity and understanding. Take advantage of it or not. It’s completely up to you.
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Marshall
I would have the national guard there to disease them from doing anything stupid.
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Marshall
In an email obtained by TNR, officials at the
Minneapolis VA claimed that “local leadership was instructed to pause the memorial” for Pretti.
“That kind of got to me,” an employee said, referring to VA Sec. Doug Collins’s statement on X. “And that’s our leader at the highest level.” https://trib.al/Jfh3jrD
Minneapolis VA claimed that “local leadership was instructed to pause the memorial” for Pretti.
“That kind of got to me,” an employee said, referring to VA Sec. Doug Collins’s statement on X. “And that’s our leader at the highest level.” https://trib.al/Jfh3jrD
I am pointing fingers and, yes, absolutely realize that means 4 are pointing back at me as I am as big of a culprit of this as anyone.
This was a conciliatory statement by @Rob B. relative to the banter that has gone back and forth recently on this board.
Do I 100% agree with him? Nah. I do think there is a place for lawbreaking when a government is overreaching in such obvious ways. I don't think peaceful protests 50 feet away from the action with no impedance of the horrible activities of the agents would have done a bit of good.
But, the multiple responses that still had a pretty tense FU tone over that single point of "breaking the law" and ignoring the key point of reigning in ICE just pushed Rob back to FU also. ICE going after convicted criminals only? Hey, what an amazing improvement. @CowboyJD did finally try to hit the point in a discussion mode more than a WTF-is-wrong-with-you mode.
Maybe we will get further if we try to build a little consensus and understand that reasonable opinions can vary some.
This won’t end well. Nurses will close ranks.
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Marshall
Stephen Miller has sought this week to distance himself from the recent fatal shootings in Minneapolis and the administration’s miscalculated response. But more than anyone, Miller has been the overall architect of Trump’s aggressive deportation push, encouraging heavy-handed operations in blue cities and urging agencies to cast a wide net to meet hefty arrest quotas. https://cnn.it/4t41kDK
I thought my response was measured.
In congressional testimony yesterday Collins said that was a local decision. I dont recall the congressman but they responded soething like, "So, a local leader just woke up and decided not to let their people go to a memorial service for a fallen colleague? Ok."
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