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I've stated many times that I want ICE to perform its basic function.
I don't know what the freak this is and I want it to stop.
Can you vote while incarcerated
Again, if Trump came out tomorrow and said "workers of the world unite" all the MAGA red hat wearers would also be carrying little red books. The lock step mindset is fascinating.
But it's breaking some. My brother and I were talking earlier and he said, "does it seem like Trump has been president for 12 years in the past year?" Yeah, bro, I'm worn out too.
PF5
Sheriff
worked on a farm one time for a couple of years during college...worked with five undocumented immigrants...hardest workers I have ever worked with, sent most of their money back home to families every payday, all five lived in a little trailer, amazing problem solvers, I respected and enjoyed working with them...sometimes I wish people who are so calloused toward these humans could spend a few weeks with them, and quit stereotyping...show some humanity...get off your f&^king high horse...
Incarcerated?
If you are incarcerated pre-conviction or even post-conviction for a misdemeanor….absolutely.
In Oklahoma, you do lose the right to vote, along with other civil rights like the right to possess firearms, once convicted of a felony. In Oklahoma, a convicted felon may not register for a period of time equal to the time of the original sentence.
So what’s your point? That voting is a “privilege” because you thought “incarcerated” people can’t vote.
I also can’t help but notice you took one sentence out of my response to focus on and failed to address the totality for some reason.
PF5
Sheriff
cuz that's what he does...
One summer early in my college career I got a job sandblasting rail cars for a company in OKC. It was the worst job I've ever had, but it paid a lot for the summer. It was the night shift. I worked with a Mexican guy, don't know his documentation status. But he was the hardest working guy I have ever known. Barely spoke english. He worked the night shift sandblasting rail cars, then then slept in his car a couple of hours, then worked the day shift welding, four days a week, twenty hours a day. He was sending most of his money back to Mexico. I don't know where he stayed on the three day weekends, maybe in his car.
So if you're convicted you lose the privilege of voting. I worded it right/privilege for that reason. I couldn't help but notice you ignored the "right" portion.
As to the rest of your reply, I had no argument against it other than to question why the law was set up to require identification to get a voter ID card.
A little primer on rights v. privileges:
- Definition: A right is an entitlement; a privilege is a special, revocable advantage.
- Source: Rights are inherent or constitutional; privileges are granted by governments or organizations.
- Permanence:
Rights are generally permanent; privileges are temporary and conditional - Revocability: Rights cannot be easily taken away; privileges are easily revoked.
- Examples: Rights include free speech, religion, or voting. Privileges include driving, holding a license, or specialized access.
Man I’m all for voter id w exceptions for those that can’t have their picture taken for religious or other beliefs.
Let’s make voting a week long 7 am to 10 pm event w same day voter registration to go along w free ids.
Place polling locations at large event centers (BOK/Paycom/GIA or local school/county gyms and expo centers) w free public transportation to and from voting locations.
Let’s make voting a process as many people as possible can participate in.
If you are convicted of a felony you lose the right to vote.
I didn’t ignore the “right” part of “right/privilege” claim. I pointed out that it’s not an either/or proposition. It’s a right. It’s in not a privilege.
I provided you a little learning guide on how to tell the difference.
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I used the word privilege wrong in the legal sense of the word, should I go delete it from my post to make you happy?
I might add it had absolutely nothing to do with the cost of an ID.
Excellent ideas. I'm all for that as long as they are citizens of this country.
There is an easy way to test these hypotheses. Compare the approval rating of Donald Trump with republicans and Chuck Schumer with democrats. As of December 2025:
Trump - 84%
Schumer - 39%
And also a national holiday for federal elections.
That’s the way it is right now
Not for everyone. I can't get a free ride to go vote...
The identification doesn’t have to be a photo id you paid for to vote. You can use the last four of your social security number as identification and it costs nothing to get a social security identification number.
Then you can use that voter id card to vote whether you have a photo id or not.
If you have neither when you vote, you can still cast a “provisional” ballot by affidavit.
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