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Pretty damning
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2.9K views · 17 reactions | Hearst Television's National Investigative Unit reviewed several videos of the shooting of Alex Pretti by ICE agents in Minneapolis, and it's creating new questions about the version of events from DHS officials. Here's ou
Hearst Television's National Investigative Unit reviewed several videos of the shooting of Alex Pretti by ICE agents in Minneapolis, and it's creating new questions about the version of events from...
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Exactly what does that have to do with you throwing the race card at me? Do you somehow perceive that I think racism doesn't exist?
They can dangle the carrot all they want but they’ll eventually stage another false flag psyop.
If it’s a false flag, they’ll stage a couple pasties or if they need a a little more realism for the sheep, they’ll sacrifice an agent to a sniper’s bullet.
That creates their chaos required for military rule or marshall law.
From the article:
FADEL: What do we know about the other two-thirds of these arrests? Do they all have criminal histories?
RUIZ SOTO: No. Among the other two-thirds, about half of those are actually people with a criminal pending charge but not yet proven guilty. Of those that do have a criminal conviction, we know from previous reports from ICE and experience that we've done research on that the majority of those criminal convictions tend to be traffic violations or lower-level offenses.
So from the article mark posted 66% have no criminal convictions and of the remaining 1/3 the majority were traffic violations or something else minor.
So PF5 was correct. But propaganda and all.
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5% of People Detained By ICE Have Violent Convictions, 73% No Convictions CATO Institute
This arrest dataset also does not disclose the type of crime committed. In any case, it similarly shows that by late July, 67 percent of ICE arrests were of people without criminal convictions. It also shows that by late July, nearly 40 percent of ICE arrests were of people without criminal convictions or criminal charges. This is a dramatic change from President Joseph Biden’s policies under which only one in 10 arrests were individuals without any criminal conviction or charge.
More important than the share of arrests is the absolute number of these arrests. Already by late July, ICE arrests of immigrants without criminal convictions had increased by 571 percent from the weekly average to start the calendar year. ICE arrests of immigrants without criminal convictions or criminal charges increased a staggering 1,500 percent since January 1.
Finally, the last data source comes from public data directly from the Immigration and Customs Enforcement website, showing that by mid-November, 69 percent of current ICE detainees who were arrested by ICE had no criminal conviction and 40 percent had no criminal charge. The number of people in detention who were convicted of a crime and had no pending charges increased a staggering 2,370 percent since January from fewer than 1,000 to over 21,000.
The same ICE dataset shows that in November 2025, 70 percent of those who ICE deported had no criminal conviction, and 43 percent had no criminal conviction or criminal charge. Across all available datasets, it is clear that the Trump administration is not living up to its promises to deport millions and millions of criminals or to prioritize the worst of the worse. So far, the administration has removed barely 90,000 individuals with criminal convictions and fewer than 150,000 individuals with convictions or pending charges.
President Trump’s deportation agenda does not match the campaign promises that he made nor the rhetoric from his officials. The president has already recognized that deportations are hurting the US economy in deporting good workers. But perhaps more importantly, the agenda is taking resources away from targeting true public safety threats, whether from immigrants or Americans. ICE should redirect its resources back toward serious public safety threats.
AND...An October analysis by the Cato Institute, a libertarian think tank, found that 5% of detainees from Oct. 1 to Nov. 15 had been convicted of violent crime. Most detainees with a criminal conviction were found guilty of traffic violations.
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Now we are going to get a semantics argument of whether a charge without conviction constitutes a “criminal record”.
So even asserting and taking the numbers in the link Rob cited:
1/3 have no criminal conviction or arrest/charge;
1/3 have no criminal conviction and are entitled to a presumption of innocence associated with their charge;
1/3 have a criminal conviction;
Of the last third with a conviction, a majority of those are for traffic offenses or lower level offenses (i.e., misdemeanors).
That doesn’t sound like going after the worst of the worst to me.
I’ve got no problem with deporting any foreign national convicted of ANY felony or serious misdemeanors like drunk driving, domestic abuse, etc., but that ain’t even what they are doing while claiming they’re only going after the worst of the worst.
That's the thing. If we were deporting felons and people that no one really wants here that's fine. If this were a debate over deporting people for drunk driving offenses I think that's something that people can talk about and have a civil disagreement over. Personally I haven't given something like that much thought but could see where an honest debate could be made one way or the other on if that is a deportable offense.
But this isn't it. Prior to yesterday morning there was a defense here over the governments role in detaining a 5 year old kid and whether it was ok to parade a man in his 70's out in the street in freezing temperatures in his underwear to catch someone already in custody. Heck I don't think it was even brought up that we let a jewel thief self deport instead of facing justice here for his crimes. The incompetence of this administration when it comes to what seems like one of their main priorities isn't even talked about-instead it comes down to how many constitutional rights we are willing to let the administration trample in the name of blind partisanship.
He said "vast majority" I looked at the first search result, from last month from NPR..
What about traffic misdemeanors like, illegally operating a tractor/trailer, or motor vehicle accident with injuries/damage?
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Kevin Stitt went on CNN and said ICE is doing too much.
Holy smokes. That is wild, never thought I'd see the day.
Accept the imperfect allies.
Holy smokes. That is wild, never thought I'd see the day.
Accept the imperfect allies.
Now let's see the percentage in Oklahoma who were undocumented immigrant truck drivers. I have a feeling that # is fairly high. I haven't seen a lot of ICE sweeping neighborhoods in Tulsa or OKC.
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evidently it's not just immigrants who are criminals...who knew?!
what percentage of the population have a criminal record:
Approximately 77 to 100 million Americans, or roughly 1 in 3 adults, have a criminal record, which includes arrest records, criminal charges, or convictions. This broad category includes over 14 million people with felony convictions, while others have misdemeanors or non-conviction records.
I saw that. His words were "I think the president is getting some bad advice on immigration policy."
That’s a Republican talking point the last few weeks.I saw that. His words were "I think the president is getting some bad advice on immigration policy."
'Bad advice': Republicans criticize Trump's policies without going directly at him
Republicans frequently say those around Trump are giving him "bad advice" as a way to disagree with his policies while avoiding blaming him.
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Very much so. And I'm not so sure it's bad advice and not revenge and his advisors bowing down to it.That’s a Republican talking point the last few weeks.
'Bad advice': Republicans criticize Trump's policies without going directly at him
Republicans frequently say those around Trump are giving him "bad advice" as a way to disagree with his policies while avoiding blaming him.
Bad advice that aligns with his retribution goals.
