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I agree. There is no way this gets toned down on the way to midterms.

How would ICE even be stopped at this point? It would either take LEO's (lol) or the military to step in. Or for a whole ton of citizens to arm themselves at protests. Maybe a general work strike or a coordinated effort in not paying federal taxes? I have no idea, but it's really scary.
Actually all it would take is GOP and Dems in the CO EQUAL branch of the he govt of Congress to step up and do what is right


But the GOP is in on it and supports it

So if there is anything you want to do on your side ...STOP or DONT vote for anyone from that party


You can still protest with your vote
.....for now
 
I had long tried to avoid using term Gestapo to refer to ICE. Now I'd be lying not to use it. This is from today in Minn. Look at how ICE agents try to block media from taking photos of their assault of the woman

The bloodlust we are seeing from Trump/MAGA over the murder of Renee Good by Trump's ICE has been deeply alarming. If you ever wondered how Germans became Nazis, you are seeing it play out in real time. My article https://deanobeidallah.substack.com/p/if-you-ever-wondered-how-germans

 
I agree. There is no way this gets toned down on the way to midterms.

How would ICE even be stopped at this point? It would either take LEO's (lol) or the military to step in. Or for a whole ton of citizens to arm themselves at protests. Maybe a general work strike or a coordinated effort in not paying federal taxes? I have no idea, but it's really scary.
The only way is to take out the top. Miller has to go. I don't know how to make that happen, but I think he is the de facto president when it comes to these issues.
 
Trump: "One of the reasons they're doing these fake riots-- I mean they're just terrible. It's so fake. 'Shame! Shame! Shame!' You see the woman. It's all practiced. They take hotel rooms and they all practice together. It's a whole scam. We're finding out who's funding all this stuff too."

 
Joe Rogan on ICE: “You don't want militarized people in the streets just roaming around, snatching people up, many of which turn out to be US citizens that just don't have their papers on them. Are we really gonna be the Gestapo? Where's your papers? Is that what we've come to?"

 
Joe Rogan on ICE: “You don't want militarized people in the streets just roaming around, snatching people up, many of which turn out to be US citizens that just don't have their papers on them. Are we really gonna be the Gestapo? Where's your papers? Is that what we've come to?"

Eff Joe Rogan.
 
I agree. There is no way this gets toned down on the way to midterms.

How would ICE even be stopped at this point? It would either take LEO's (lol) or the military to step in. Or for a whole ton of citizens to arm themselves at protests. Maybe a general work strike or a coordinated effort in not paying federal taxes? I have no idea, but it's really scary.

Actually all it would take is GOP and Dems in the CO EQUAL branch of the he govt of Congress to step up and do what is right


But the GOP is in on it and supports it

So if there is anything you want to do on your side ...STOP or DONT vote for anyone from that party


You can still protest with your vote
.....for now
Congress will flake out unless the numbers get really bad. Like low 20% approval rating for ICE.

If they don't do anything, then question then becomes, what are we going to do about it? We have a lot of nonviolent options.
 
Congress will flake out unless the numbers get really bad. Like low 20% approval rating for ICE.

If they don't do anything, then question then becomes, what are we going to do about it? We have a lot of nonviolent options.
My question is do those people understand anything but violence? They seem to be wanting violence and Miller had said power is all that matters.
 
My question is do those people understand anything but violence? They seem to be wanting violence and Miller had said power is all that matters.
They understand power. And there are a lot of ways for mass groups to exercize power.

The state has a near monopoly on violence and it is a very important thing to remember. Nonviolence isnt just the ethical/moral choice. Its the most pragmatic choice too.

I hope people remember this and not play into this fascist regimes hands.
 
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They understand power. And there are a lot of ways for mass groups to exercize power.

The state has a near monopoly on violence and it is a very important thing to remember. Nonviolence isnt just the ethical/moral choice. Its the most pragmatic choice too.

I hope people remember this and not play into this fascist regimes hands.
I completely agree but I will say you also have to be ready for the violence.
 
Sure. But if he turns on Trump and this bull crap then good on him. And he has the influence to turn millions of young men out there.
At some point, we have to stop people from doing the thing he does then at the end change their stance when they are a massive cause. He needs to not have an audience.
 
Joe Rogan breaks with Trump over ‘Gestapo’ ICE operations the hill

Podcaster Joe Rogan voiced sympathy with Americans who have expressed anger and frustration at the way President Trump’s administration has conducted immigration enforcement during his first year in office.

“You don’t want militarized people in the streets just roaming around, snatching up people — many of which turn out to be U.S. citizens that just don’t have their papers on them,” Rogan said on Tuesday’s episode of his podcast, likely referring to the president’s deployment of National Guard soldiers to aid in the crackdown.


He added, “Are we really gonna be the Gestapo, ‘Where’s your papers?’ Is that what we’ve come to?”

Rogan, who was interviewing Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.), said issues concerning immigration “are more complicated than anyone wants to admit.”

Trump’s immigration agenda reached a flash point last week following an Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) officer fatally shooting of 37-year-old Renee Good, a Minnesota woman federal officials allege impeded an ICE operation in Minneapolis by using her vehicle as a weapon.

The Department of Homeland Security has defended the officer who killed Good, while protests against immigration operations in the North Star State have grown in the days since the shooting.

Polls indicate that many Americans disagree with the administration’s justification for the shooting and believe the officer should face legal action.

Rogan, a prominent media voice who is particularly influential with young men, has broken with Trump on a number of issues in recent months after voicing support for the president during his 2024 campaign.


Trump sat with the podcast host for a more than three-hour interview just days before the 2024 election, as part of an effort to use appearances with internet influencers and popular podcasters to shore up support among younger voters.
 
So Ashley Babbitt family got $5 million but Renee Goode’s family probably gets nothing.


So he's going to get away with it. And the administration is setting the precedent that the next agent who does the same thing will as well. But if you are on Trump's side (i.e. Babbit) and you are killed then the justice department is willing to make sure your dependants never have to work again.

That's just awesome
 
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