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Tough. If they acted like civil servants and treated people appropriately, they would not be all over video looking like thugs and there would be no reason to dox them. Border patrol has been arresting people for deportation for decades with no worries. This is not the correct response to the problem.

Obama ICE did not do this. Do you really think that if citizens were being ripped out of job sites and ICE agent were walking up and breaking car windows that nobody in 2016 would have bothered to film it? Do you really think if it was filmed that it would not be all over social media? IMO, no that is not a realistic claim.

I have no idea. That's why I asked. I think your response is really an answer that makes a lot of sense.

How did the Obama ICE do it the right way? Most people don't want to be deported, which would make the job difficult and messy. Maybe it was back then and it just didn't get the attention? Or the Obama ICE did it better, somehow, even though due process wasn't followed. I haven't seen how they did it. I just see Trump's ICE and it looks rough.
 
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Funny I didn’t say the podium was word for word and google Gemini does indicate that while the podium is not word for word the idea is from nazi germany.
You posted a picture of a podium with a phrase and this is what you included with it. So if you were not referring to word-for-word of what you posted, what are you referring to?
@JTOSU . When the US government is proudly displaying nazi quotes. When they post nazi quotes word for word from official department social media accounts.

And no, Gemini absolutely did NOT say the idea it was from Nazi Germany. This is the response from Gemini.

Prompt*: Does the phrase "one of ours, all of yours" have a historical reference in relation to Nazi Germany?

The phrase "one of ours, all of yours" has recently become a subject of intense online debate. While it is currently being used in a modern political context, its alleged connection to Nazi Germany appears to be a recent historical claim rather than a documented slogan from the Third Reich.

Here is a breakdown of the history and the current controversy:

Current Context​

In early 2026, the phrase appeared on a podium used by U.S. Secretary of Homeland Security Kristi Noem during a press conference in Manhattan. It was presented as a slogan to emphasize collective responsibility or retaliation regarding attacks on federal agents.

The Nazi Allegation​

A viral claim (often found on social media and platforms like Reddit) suggests that the phrase originates from a Nazi retaliation policy. Specifically, it is being linked to the Lidice Massacre (1942) in the former Czechoslovakia.

  • The Claim: The Nazis supposedly used this phrase after the assassination of SS-Obergruppenführer Reinhard Heydrich to justify killing every male in the village of Lidice.
  • The Historical Reality: While the Nazis did carry out brutal "collective responsibility" massacres (like Lidice), there is no primary historical record of the specific phrase "One of ours, all of yours" being used as an official slogan or motto by the SS or the Nazi Party.
 
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Could it be possible that Obama ICE wasn't under the same type of scrutiny because they didn't continually violate due process and the constitutional rights while deporting a whole bunch of folks.
Very possible, it's also possible that Obama ICE wasn't scrutinized because he didn't have millions of people ready to riot over every move he made.
 
Is that what protestors are yelling at the ICE agents about?

Obama is guilty of violating due process while deporting a whole bunch of folks. No masks then.

We have never had a perfect border policy.

I think non-judicial vs judicial deportations is a great public policy discussion.
Ideally, all would be judicial, but I could see how that could overwhelm the system.
I'm far from a subject-matter expert, but it seems that criteria for when each would apply could be made.
 
Very possible, it's also possible that Obama ICE wasn't scrutinized because he didn't have millions of people ready to riot over every move he made.
A huge portion of the country didn't even believe he was American. Pretty sure they could have been mobilized if a situation presented itself.
 
I have no idea. That's why I asked. I think your response is really an answer that makes a lot of sense.

How did the Obama ICE do it the right way? Most people don't want to be deported, which would make the job difficult and messy. Maybe it was back then and it just didn't get the attention? Or the Obama ICE did it better, somehow, even though due process wasn't followed. I haven't seen how they did it. I just see Trump's ICE and it looks rough.

I think Obama went after people that either were picked up at/near the border or they got arrested so they were already detained. No or few militarized "raids" like are occurring now.
 
Tough. If they acted like civil servants and treated people appropriately, they would not be all over video looking like thugs and there would be no reason to dox them. Border patrol has been arresting people for deportation for decades with no worries. This is not the correct response to the problem.

Obama ICE did not do this. Do you really think that if citizens were being ripped out of job sites and ICE agent were walking up and breaking car windows that nobody in 2016 would have bothered to film it? Do you really think if it was filmed that it would not be all over social media? IMO, no that is not a realistic claim.

I have no idea. That's why I asked. I think your response is really an answer that makes a lot of sense.

How did the Obama ICE do it the right way? Most people don't want to be deported, which would make the job difficult and messy. Maybe it was back then and it just didn't get the attention? Or the Obama ICE did it better, somehow, even though due process wasn't followed. I haven't seen how they did it. I just see Trump's ICE and it looks rough.
Back then they prioritized people who had criminal records and did not use as frequently abusive and aggressive tactics. There also was an emphasis on being accurate and not sweeping up people who are citizens or are in the US legally. That all is out the window and now those tactics are a point of emphasis to be as brutal as possible. What is the purpose of going to immigration hearings? To deport brown people who are trying to become citizens through the legal process. That is exactly what they were doing with many people like Omar Abrego Garcia.

On top of this, a lot of prison guards have actually quit and joined ICE for better pay and benefits, so they are using the same tactics they would use on prisoners in the public eye. Is another reason we have needed prison reform for a long, long time.

I think this is a minor thing this time around due to the above, but it is probably worth mentioning that there is also this tendency on the left to magnify immigration abuses and declarations of war when a republican is president that many are willing to overlook when a democrat is in power. That bothers me a lot. This is very similar to how the right champions fiscal responsibility and freedom of speech when they are not in power, but we see firsthand what they think of both things when they are in power.

With all this said, the Trump immigration enforcement would likely put a country on a sanctions list if it were some other country (as long as it was not Israel). I think that is really telling.
 
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Is that what protestors are yelling at the ICE agents about?

Obama is guilty of violating due process while deporting a whole bunch of folks. No masks then.

Absolutely that’s what protestors are yelling at ICE about.

And you’re going to have to cite a source other than ACLU when you’re trying to convince a lawyer/prosecutor that claims about Obama’s alleged violations of due process and Trump’s violations of due process/Constitution which I have seen repeatedly and almost daily are even remotely similar.

Finally, that ACLU press release is a comment on a change in the law allowing for immediate deportation without an individualized hearing if they’re picked up within 100 miles of the border. Due process under the law is what I’m talking about and that’s the very definition of due process constitutionally.
 
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Very possible, it's also possible that Obama ICE wasn't scrutinized because he didn't have millions of people ready to riot over every move he made.
Now you’re just making a chicken/egg argument, he didn’t have millions of people ready to riot because he wasn’t effectively blowing his nose with the Constitution like ICE and the Justice Department is doing.
 
You posted a picture of a podium with a phrase and this is what you included with it. So if you were not referring to word-for-word of what you posted, what are you referring to?


And no, Gemini absolutely did NOT say the idea it was from Nazi Germany. This is the response from Gemini.

Prompt*: Does the phrase "one of ours, all of yours" have a historical reference in relation to Nazi Germany?

The phrase "one of ours, all of yours" has recently become a subject of intense online debate. While it is currently being used in a modern political context, its alleged connection to Nazi Germany appears to be a recent historical claim rather than a documented slogan from the Third Reich.

Here is a breakdown of the history and the current controversy:

Current Context​

In early 2026, the phrase appeared on a podium used by U.S. Secretary of Homeland Security Kristi Noem during a press conference in Manhattan. It was presented as a slogan to emphasize collective responsibility or retaliation regarding attacks on federal agents.

The Nazi Allegation​

A viral claim (often found on social media and platforms like Reddit) suggests that the phrase originates from a Nazi retaliation policy. Specifically, it is being linked to the Lidice Massacre (1942) in the former Czechoslovakia.

  • The Claim: The Nazis supposedly used this phrase after the assassination of SS-Obergruppenführer Reinhard Heydrich to justify killing every male in the village of Lidice.
  • The Historical Reality: While the Nazis did carry out brutal "collective responsibility" massacres (like Lidice), there is no primary historical record of the specific phrase "One of ours, all of yours" being used as an official slogan or motto by the SS or the Nazi Party.
Sorry but you’re wrong. I never posted a picture. I never claimed it was word for word. And my contextualization of what my Gemini search is what I posted.

I provided other examples of where this administration is cloaking itself in nazi propaganda. You refuse to answer what I called you out on. It’s not posters w bias. It is clearly this administration that is biased towards spreading and sympathizing with nazi propaganda. So for the 3rd time (and I realize I’m self inflicting pain here), what do you call a govt that aligns itself w nazi culture, quotes it and excuses those who distinctly align with it?

But keep being you. You don’t disappoint.
 
Now you’re just making a chicken/egg argument, he didn’t have millions of people ready to riot because he wasn’t effectively blowing his nose with the Constitution like ICE and the Justice Department is doing.
I though I was being painfully obvious with the chicken/egg argument. Millions of people weren't ready to riot because his opposition(for the most part because I know people will scream Jan 6.) don't use rioting as a political tool.
 
I'm not backtracking anything. Did you read my post?

Let me translate it for you:
If you take an extremist position I will take an opposing extremist position in response to it. As stated, you call it trolling.
When someone claims they are being a devil’s advocate, someone I respect greatly responds, “The devil is doing just fine on his own, He doesn’t need your help.”
 
I thought I was being painfully obvious with the chicken/egg argument. Millions of people weren't ready to riot because his opposition(for the most part because I know people will scream Jan 6.) don't use rioting as a political tool.

Painful obvious that you’re making an illogical chicken and egg argument.

People should effing scream January 6th.

For the most part…..other than forcefully taking the Capitol to stop Biden from becoming President after being duly and fairly elected and threatening to hang the Vice President…you serious Clark?

Millions of people weren’t ready to riot when Obama was President because he wasn’t blowing his nose with the Constitution like Trump is.
 
I think the difference between the first and second Trump administrations in ICE arrests is the sense that this administration is just not acting subject to constraints. An additional difference is that Congress recently allocated a huge amount of money for building additional detention centers, which gives ICE more capacity to imprison people after arrests now. And then one last difference is that arrests at the border are very low now, whereas they were relatively high, especially towards the end of the first Trump administration. And that also means there’s more detention capacity for people who’ve been arrested inside the United States.

I think the easiest way to see the lack of constraint is the obvious one: We just see ICE and CBP randomly arresting people, often openly, or almost openly, on the basis of race. The scale of that phenomenon is new with this administration.
Source.

Keep in mind that back in September 2025, the Supreme Court cleared the way for ICE agents to treat race as grounds for immigration stops, which they have done ad nauseum.
 
Now you’re just making a chicken/egg argument, he didn’t have millions of people ready to riot because he wasn’t effectively blowing his nose with the Constitution like ICE and the Justice Department is doing.
I thought one of the claims Magastani’s were making regarding Obama deportation numbers were that his were primarily happening at immigration points of entry where they stepped foot on us soil but were immediately sent back. Insinuation was that those weren’t really deportations.

If I recall there were posts on this very board w those claims.

I have no idea if this was actually happening but that was their argument when Obama era numbers were cited. Now that we are witnessing ICE they have moved the narrative to acknowledge Obama’s numbers but try to make deportation styles comparative.
 
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