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He can’t be fired at this point, but you can sure take away some of his control. That’s what Boone and Holder did. Fire his OC and Oline coach. Go out and hire a young dynamic OC and give them autonomy to run the Offense and hire an Oline coach. Then Mike either accepts it or his ego can’t take it and he steps aside.
 
He can’t be fired at this point, but you can sure take away some of his control. That’s what Boone and Holder did. Fire his OC and Oline coach. Go out and hire a young dynamic OC and give them autonomy to run the Offense and hire an Oline coach. Then Mike either accepts it or his ego can’t take it and he steps aside.
Pretty much any team with a modicum of success loses their top assistants. We lose ours to the blue bloods, and the blue bloods lose theirs to head coaching jobs. If you’re not losing your OC or DC every few years that’s probably a bad sign. I have no idea why Gundy doesn’t realize that losing your assistants to better opportunities is a sign you made a great hire. It should also make it easier to attract the next standout hire.
 
Pretty much any team with a modicum of success loses their top assistants. We lose ours to the blue bloods, and the blue bloods lose theirs to head coaching jobs. If you’re not losing your OC or DC every few years that’s probably a bad sign. I have no idea why Gundy doesn’t realize that losing your assistants to better opportunities is a sign you made a great hire. It should also make it easier to attract the next standout hire.
You're framing this the wrong way.

Gundy already knows all of what you said. But he's also realized he can make the same amount of money without the effort that such success and subsequent turnover yields. He has no reason to do anything different, especially with his contract and a sizable % of our fan base still supporting him as HC.
 
You're framing this the wrong way.

Gundy already knows all of what you said. But he's also realized he can make the same amount of money without the effort that such success and subsequent turnover yields. He has no reason to do anything different, especially with his contract and a sizable % of our fan base still supporting him as HC.
I believe Gundy may have taken the fan base for granted. I’m hearing ardent Gundy lovers saying they are ready to move on.
 
I didn’t agree with the Gundy hire in the first place, but ate my share of crow when he was able to elevate the program a step or two beyond where it was when he got the job. I have been ready for him to go for about 5 years now, and I’m afraid this season may drive more folks away from the program, recruits and fans both. The longer this is allowed to continue, the bigger the rebuild will be moving forward.
He has a rolling $25 million buyout. I doubt we fire Gundy. He does need to be pressured and given the money to bring in elite coaching talent.

I'm all for finding an on the pulse QB focused OC and going recruiting minded on all position coaches. I think Rattay is a very good QB coach, but he isn't a recruiter. None of our offensive staff are great recruiters at this point.
 
He could hire Cale. I wouldn’t mind him at least for a tryout.
Hiring Cale would only create negative-recruiting opportunities against us. You simply can't have an assistant on staff that said what he said in today's society, regardless of the context in which he said it. Hiring someone like him is probably the last thing we need right now, considering the negative optics that would come with it. I suspect this is why Mike hasn't already hired him, considering he has been unemployed for over a year now.
 
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You're framing this the wrong way.

Gundy already knows all of what you said. But he's also realized he can make the same amount of money without the effort that such success and subsequent turnover yields. He has no reason to do anything different, especially with his contract and a sizable % of our fan base still supporting him as HC.
If he thought that, then he now realizes it was a huge miscalculation. Because this season is going to be a total embarrassment for him and put more fan heat and media pressure on him then he’s ever had. He would have been better off hiring good assistants and dealing with the turnover. He may now get the administration in his kitchen making decisions for him which I guarantee is the worst case scenario in his mind.
 
You're framing this the wrong way.

Gundy already knows all of what you said. But he's also realized he can make the same amount of money without the effort that such success and subsequent turnover yields. He has no reason to do anything different, especially with his contract and a sizable % of our fan base still supporting him as HC.

I don't know the man personally, but it's hard to imagine a coach that is satisfied with not winning.
 
I don't know the man personally, but it's hard to imagine a coach that is satisfied with not winning.
Watch his post-game press conferences from the last 10 years objectively, and you'll see a guy who is way too comfortable after losing. He jokes around like its no big deal, and tries to get cute by talking about anything but football. He's even openly mocked people who criticize the program or specific calls, and degraded the fans on multiple occasions.

He'll "accept responsibility" by saying they didn't do a good enough job, and its his fault, but follow it up with no meaningful changes, then negotiating new raises and contracts at the season's end.

His approach has not only held us back in an uncertain time for CFB, but its made the product on the field unbearable to watch. Its no longer entertaining enough to prioritize (for me). I no longer plan my weekends around OSU football, and probably won't until changes are made.
 
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I don't know the man personally, but it's hard to imagine a coach that is satisfied with not winning.
I coached high school for many years. You're right everyone would like to win, but not everyone is willing to do what it takes to win. The old saying that you have to hate losing more than you love winning is true and I just don't think that's where Mike Gundy is. He is far too comfortable with losing. I'm sure he doesn't like it, but he's obviously okay with it because he has refused to do anything to change; he has not adapted.
 
Gundy's roll-over contract is a fiasco. After last season, he should've been served notice that it was not going to roll-over. The fact that didn't happen and the administration was fine with no changes being made after the disaster of a season was not a good sign. This will be a losing season, but Gundy's buyout is not something the university can afford to just eat. With his buyout and his history, he's going to get another year at minimum. Do you think Ollie Gordon, Jaden Nixon, Collin Oliver, and the other actual playmakers are going to stay after this year? They shouldn't. Next year will be worse. By the time Gundy is forced out, it may be too late for OSU. The only thing that may salvage things is if the admin can appeal to Gundy's love of the university and his legacy and talk him into quitting. But, if you know anything about Mike Gundy, I'd be surprised if that happened.
 
I'm sold. We were promised improved concepts and changes and we've only gotten worse, much worse. Fire the entire offensive staff after the last game.

And since i hate it when people whine and don't offer solutions...

For OC, hire Ben Arbuckle. Currently in first year at WSU. Was a Western Kentucky before. Young guy, already having success three games into his P5 career. At a school that is getting left out next year.
We need to hire a guy with recruiting ties to Texas.
 
Gundy's roll-over contract is a fiasco. After last season, he should've been served notice that it was not going to roll-over. The fact that didn't happen and the administration was fine with no changes being made after the disaster of a season was not a good sign. This will be a losing season, but Gundy's buyout is not something the university can afford to just eat. With his buyout and his history, he's going to get another year at minimum. Do you think Ollie Gordon, Jaden Nixon, Collin Oliver, and the other actual playmakers are going to stay after this year? They shouldn't. Next year will be worse. By the time Gundy is forced out, it may be too late for OSU. The only thing that may salvage things is if the admin can appeal to Gundy's love of the university and his legacy and talk him into quitting. But, if you know anything about Mike Gundy, I'd be surprised if that happened.
I don’t blame the Administration for renewing Gundy’s contract after last year, only because I also bought in on the excuses made for the dismal season and this year will be better. And to be fair, we/they owe Gundy that much. Then all the post season defections came and Gundy’s bizarre stance in the portal and NIL. For me personally, I had the feeling it was the beginning of the end.

For the first time since Simmons was the HC, come game time I made no effort to follow the game by some method. Based on what I’m reading, I’m glad I didn’t.

Somebody made the TCU/Gary Patterson analogy. That’s prolly about right. Hope we find a Dykes.
 
I don’t blame the Administration for renewing Gundy’s contract after last year, only because I also bought in on the excuses made for the dismal season and this year will be better. And to be fair, we/they owe Gundy that much.
No we/they don't. The true writing has been on the wall going back to the CMU debacle back in 2016. He's had so much rope to hang himself, he can fall all the way to China and the rope won't catch.

He is effectively robbing the university at this point, and it is incumbent upon the BoR, Weiberg, and Shrum to stop it....NOW.
 
No we/they don't. The true writing has been on the wall going back to the CMU debacle back in 2016. He's had so much rope to hang himself, he can fall all the way to China and the rope won't catch.

He is effectively robbing the university at this point, and it is incumbent upon the BoR, Weiberg, and Shrum to stop it....NOW.
He isn't robbing the university by getting paid on the terms of the contract they gave him. We will not fire Gundy because we can't afford $25 million in buyout cash and that number never goes down, because his contract is rolling. If you attempt to restructure after this season, I don't know what leverage the university has or doesn't have. Either way it is a multi-year project to get the buyout down to something affordable.

If we wanted out of the Gundy business more immediately we'd probably have to move him to something with an administrative title and restructure the contract. But that opens up a lot of potentially toxic situations.

I think the reality is we are in bed with Gundy for the foreseeable future. Weiberg has to decide to force Gundy's hand in staff changes if Mike refuses. Weiberg also needs to find the money to hire talented coaches.
 
He isn't robbing the university by getting paid on the terms of the contract they gave him. We will not fire Gundy because we can't afford $25 million in buyout cash and that number never goes down, because his contract is rolling. If you attempt to restructure after this season, I don't know what leverage the university has or doesn't have. Either way it is a multi-year project to get the buyout down to something affordable.

If we wanted out of the Gundy business more immediately we'd probably have to move him to something with an administrative title and restructure the contract. But that opens up a lot of potentially toxic situations.

I think the reality is we are in bed with Gundy for the foreseeable future. Weiberg has to decide to force Gundy's hand in staff changes if Mike refuses. Weiberg also needs to find the money to hire talented coaches.
I said he is "effectively" robbing the university, meaning he took advantage of some very unsavvy and/or star-struck Oklahoma State officials to secure a intractable agreement, after which he proceeded to get lazier and worse and worse at his job with absolutely no incentives to improve or disincentives to not get worse. His apathy , arrogance, and complacency seem willful. His constant "we got out-coached" statements after losses should be enough to enrage those "in control", but apparently they are just fine with it as we hear na'ary a peep out of them. After Gundy's ongoing shenanigans and last year's meltdown and portal calamity, I can't for the life of me figure out how OSU sold out season tickets. Fool me once...
 
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