Cedar trees use a tremendous amount of water each day. What scientific journal did you find wind turbines cause drought ? Not climate change, turbines, got it
GOP starting to change stance on Climate Change?
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Besides that, devoted conspiracy theory nut, Dane Wigington, claims that increased UV radiation is killing off trees. Also, chemical elements put in chemtrails and spraying the skies with it from planes are polluting the soil when it rains. He says it's leading to total climate and biospheric collapse that may happen by 2030. Chemtrails have been used to try to stop global warming, but the efforts have gone terrifically wrong. In his talks, he says he'll let the listener decide. I've decided he is either a fraud trying to make money or is a moron who doesn't know what he is talking about.
I’m not giving you a conspiracy theory. If you look at the areas that have been in Category 4 drought from the southern plains through the Midwest they all have major wind energy systems. Most of those areas don’t have Eastern Red Cedar, that’s a phenomenon associated with eastern and central Oklahoma and occasionally in western Oklahoma.
Wind Energy system leases are very specific in controlling wind patterns around them. The physics around the flow of the atmosphere around the turbines is going to cause an obvious disruption of the atmosphere. I haven’t found a study of the micro atmospheric effects but there’s no way there’s not an issue.
If you are going to believe in contrails and chemical intrusions why is this such a stretch?
Wind Energy system leases are very specific in controlling wind patterns around them. The physics around the flow of the atmosphere around the turbines is going to cause an obvious disruption of the atmosphere. I haven’t found a study of the micro atmospheric effects but there’s no way there’s not an issue.
If you are going to believe in contrails and chemical intrusions why is this such a stretch?
Physics speaking. Atmosphere is a fluid and acts and behaves just like a fluid and will take the shape of and fill any container it is in. When outside the container of the Atmosphere is Space and The Earth. Therefore the Liquid Air will fill that entire space and just like water if any move from one location it is immediately replaced and back filled by other water.....same for air.
So the idea of placing a fan on the Earth in this giant container that spreads all the way to Space and somehow that will affect the area around the fan just isn't logical due to the physical properties of Atmosphere as a liquid.
That would be the equivalent of saying you could take A few Hundred Thousand 19" fans, placing them all on the floor of the Atlantic Ocean and then claim you changed the entire behavior of the entire Atlantic Ocean.
You may be able to have a very small and minimal impact on the immediate direction and speed of the fluid when it passes from one side of the blades to the other side of the blades, but for only temporarily and extremely limited distance and the disruption would immediately be replaced and back filled by other air that was already there.
You aren’t talking about 19” fans. You are talking about miles and miles of air being moved and twisted. There has to be an effect. That’s before you start talking about the massive amount of energy held by the concrete that they are bolted on. That’s the equivalent of having a broken volcanic sill stretched across the width of an energy system.
Lots of unintended consequences with these systems
and your not talking about any container. you're 19" fans are incorrect it would be more like putting a 1/2" tall fan on the ocean floor .
The Atlantic Ocean is on avg 5 to 5.3 miles deep. The Atmosphere is 62 MILES thick. It would be like putting a 1/2" fan on the ocean floor and then claiming it is affecting the oceans.
you're putting a fan at the bottom of a liquid filled container and the liquid directly around it and above it is 62 MILES thick and then trying to claim that the tiny fraction of air that fan will move around it will someone impact the System around it.
This would be like claiming that is a Tree has too many leaves then it will cause a climate impact because the leaves impacted the wind around the tree too greatly
Therefore if you took this approach then additional and MORE trees with MORE leaves which would impact Atmossphereic Air flow would be BAD.
and High Rise buildings would be DEVESTATING to the Atmosphere and be causing all kinds of droughts with the way they move and impact the air flow.
Enhanced butterfly effect?
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Oh, if it’s the mass of concrete in the turbines bases causing the drought, Let’s go back to the 40-50’s tear up roads and disperse the cities. All on @andylicious contention.
ROLMAO, no they just start massive grass fires. You gotta be joking
the simple fact is that ONE volcano can dwarf the ENTIRE Human output of gases into the atmosphere in a matter of HOURS.
as of July 9th 2023 there are 48 volcanoes on the Earth that are in continuous eruption spewing gas and debris into the air at a rate that is Measured in Metric CUBIC Tons PER HOUR.
The simple fact we humans feel important enough to think some giant fan is going to be impacting the atmosphere on any type of scale that would make a difference is extremely hilarious to me.
as of July 9th 2023 there are 48 volcanoes on the Earth that are in continuous eruption spewing gas and debris into the air at a rate that is Measured in Metric CUBIC Tons PER HOUR.
The simple fact we humans feel important enough to think some giant fan is going to be impacting the atmosphere on any type of scale that would make a difference is extremely hilarious to me.
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Grass grows back, livestock drinking contaminated water die. Farmers and ranchers have to fence off polluted areas and some haul water for miles.
Our Rail Infrastructure in the US has proven to us ABUNDENTLY over the last 4-5 years that it is NOT fit to be moving ANY potential contaminants or pollutants using it as a mode of transportation. Yet we move Millions of barrels per day still on a crumbling infrastructure that has 1600 Derailments PER YEAR....Roughly 4 trains derail every day since 2007...yet trains have fewer spills or leaks than pipelines.
From 1975 to 2012 moving oil via rail was EXTREMLEY safe, but as our rail system started to crumble.....Things went bad fast.
In 2013 alone there were more oil spills from Train derailment than the entire previous 37 years combine and it just kept getting worse due to the crap infrastructure they are running on.
jobob85
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Good read on train transportation.
Isn’t there money out there now for infrastructure?
Biden Administration Announces Over $368 Million in Grants to Improve Rail Infrastructure, Enhance and Strengthen Supply Chains
Thursday, June 2, 202246 Projects in 32 States to Modernize Rail Across Rural & Urban Communities Will Enable Economic Growth
WASHINGTON, D.C. – The Federal Railroad Administration (FRA) today announced over $368 million in Consolidated Rail Infrastructure and Safety Improvements (CRISI) grant program funds to 46 projects in 32 states and the District of Columbia. These investments will play a crucial role in modernizing our country’s rail infrastructure and strengthening supply chains, helping to reduce congestion and get people and goods where they need to go quickly and more affordably. The program will create good-paying jobs and benefit urban and rural communities across the country.
The selected projects announced today will not only improve and expand passenger rail and fund conventional and high-speed rail, but they will also increase supply chain resilience and fluidity, support short line railroads, invest in new technology and safety advancements, and benefit rail industry workforce development and training activities – helping to create jobs and increase economic growth.
President Biden’s Bipartisan Infrastructure Law has nearly tripled funding for this critical rail infrastructure program - to $1 billion a year for the next five years. Strengthening supply chains and increasing the productive capacity of the economy are key tenets of President Biden’s plans to get goods from ships to shelves more quickly and lower costs for American families.
"Americans deserve a world-class rail system that allows people and goods to get where they need to go more quickly and affordably, while reducing traffic and pollution on our roads," said U.S. Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg. "We're proud to award these grants to improve passenger rail for riders and strengthen the freight rail that makes our supply chains and our economy work."
“This round of CRISI grants – one of the largest ever – is a major step forward for the Biden-Harris Administration’s efforts to revitalize and rebuild the country’s infrastructure,” said FRA Administrator Amit Bose. “These awards will allow FRA to support rail projects that lay the groundwork for future economic growth.”
CRISI aims to advance intercity passenger and freight rail projects that promote FRA’s key goals of safety, economic growth, transportation equity, and sustainable and resilient infrastructure. CRISI-funded projects will enhance multi-modal connections, address slow orders, and fix up 100-year-old track to speed up the movement of goods from ports to rail to trucks to shelves. As the nation continues to recover from the COVID-19 pandemic, these upgrades and expansions will help state and local governments and rail carriers meet renewed travel demand and strengthen supply chains.
Examples of projects funded this year (full list here):
- Heart of Georgia Americus Sub Upgrade Project (Up to $6,190,137)
Georgia Department of Transportation
- The proposed project will replace approximately 18 miles of rail, 2,750 crossties, and make many more rail upgrades between Preston and Cordele, Georgia. These improvements will accommodate 286,000-pound loads and improve reliability, efficiency, and safety by eliminating slow-orders along 51 miles of Heart of Georgia Railroad (HOG) lines that connect at the Cordele Inland Port.
- The proposed project will replace approximately 18 miles of rail, 2,750 crossties, and make many more rail upgrades between Preston and Cordele, Georgia. These improvements will accommodate 286,000-pound loads and improve reliability, efficiency, and safety by eliminating slow-orders along 51 miles of Heart of Georgia Railroad (HOG) lines that connect at the Cordele Inland Port.
- Port of Baltimore Rail Capacity Modernization Project (Up to $15,680,000)
Maryland Port Administration
- The proposed project will construct four new working tracks and two crane rail beams within the Port of Baltimore's Seagirt Marine Terminal in Baltimore, Maryland. The proposed improvements aim to meet demand in intermodal volumes. The Seagirt Terminal supports multi-modal connections with rail, road, and water to both Norfolk Southern and CSX railroad, which support freight traffic to East Coast and Midwest markets. This intermodal connection will help reduce congestion and speed up the movement of goods.
- The proposed project will construct four new working tracks and two crane rail beams within the Port of Baltimore's Seagirt Marine Terminal in Baltimore, Maryland. The proposed improvements aim to meet demand in intermodal volumes. The Seagirt Terminal supports multi-modal connections with rail, road, and water to both Norfolk Southern and CSX railroad, which support freight traffic to East Coast and Midwest markets. This intermodal connection will help reduce congestion and speed up the movement of goods.
- Raleigh to Richmond Corridor Infrastructure Engineering & Safety Program (Up to $57,900,000)
North Carolina Department of Transportation
- The proposed project will perform surveys and complete preliminary engineering for Raleigh to Richmond (R2R) Corridor Program improvements between Raleigh, North Carolina, and Richmond, Virginia. Included in this project is the construction of a grade separation on the S-Line in Wake Forest, North Carolina. The project will advance the next phase of the R2R corridor development, which will eventually result in new intercity passenger rail service on a state-owned route that will access currently underserved and minority rural communities with rail service, as well as improve travel times on the existing Amtrak Silver Meteor service.
- The proposed project will perform surveys and complete preliminary engineering for Raleigh to Richmond (R2R) Corridor Program improvements between Raleigh, North Carolina, and Richmond, Virginia. Included in this project is the construction of a grade separation on the S-Line in Wake Forest, North Carolina. The project will advance the next phase of the R2R corridor development, which will eventually result in new intercity passenger rail service on a state-owned route that will access currently underserved and minority rural communities with rail service, as well as improve travel times on the existing Amtrak Silver Meteor service.
- Southwest Kansas Infrastructure Upgrade Project (Up to $10,991,971)
Kansas Department of Transportation
- The proposed project will make a series of improvements on the Cimarron Valley Railroad (CVR) from Dodge City to Hugoton, Kansas. The project will replace approximately 51,618 crossties, relay 3.7 miles of rail in curves, apply new ballast to 67 miles of track, and surface 85 miles of track. These improvements will enable the rail to support biodiesel transport operations as well as local agricultural products, raise the allowable speed from 10 mph to 25 mph, and increase the weight capacity.
- The proposed project will make a series of improvements on the Cimarron Valley Railroad (CVR) from Dodge City to Hugoton, Kansas. The project will replace approximately 51,618 crossties, relay 3.7 miles of rail in curves, apply new ballast to 67 miles of track, and surface 85 miles of track. These improvements will enable the rail to support biodiesel transport operations as well as local agricultural products, raise the allowable speed from 10 mph to 25 mph, and increase the weight capacity.
- Florida Panhandle Rural Capacity Expansion Project (Up to $8,300,000)
Florida Gulf & Atlantic Railroad, LLC
- The proposed project will replace approximately 70,000 ties, install approximately 14,300 new ties, rehabilitate 11 sidings, and make repairs to 60 grade crossings between Jacksonville and Pensacola, Florida. This project will improve the track structure, which will increase the line capacity in order to serve growing demand.
- The proposed project will replace approximately 70,000 ties, install approximately 14,300 new ties, rehabilitate 11 sidings, and make repairs to 60 grade crossings between Jacksonville and Pensacola, Florida. This project will improve the track structure, which will increase the line capacity in order to serve growing demand.
- Great Lakes Corridor Improvement (Up to $21,340,300)
Michigan Department of Transportation
- The proposed project will rehabilitate track and rail assets operated by the Great Lakes Central Railroad (GLC) just north of Ann Arbor, Michigan. Specifically, the project includes installing 4.25 miles of new rail, eliminating joints on an additional 41.25 mainline track miles, replacing or rehabilitating 11 bridges and culverts, and installing approximately 30,000 ties on mainline and siding track. The project will result in fewer track defects, derailments, and other maintenance problems associated with rail joints. The project qualifies for the statutorily required set-aside for rural investment.
- The proposed project will rehabilitate track and rail assets operated by the Great Lakes Central Railroad (GLC) just north of Ann Arbor, Michigan. Specifically, the project includes installing 4.25 miles of new rail, eliminating joints on an additional 41.25 mainline track miles, replacing or rehabilitating 11 bridges and culverts, and installing approximately 30,000 ties on mainline and siding track. The project will result in fewer track defects, derailments, and other maintenance problems associated with rail joints. The project qualifies for the statutorily required set-aside for rural investment.
- Development and Implementation of HBCU Based Railroad Engineering Program for Underrepresented Communities (Up to $4,592,637)
University of Delaware
- University of Delaware will partner with Morgan State University (MSU), a Historically Black College and University (HBCU) in Baltimore, Maryland, to create a railroad engineering program. The creation of this program would provide a model for expansion of similar programs to other HBCUs.
The CRISI program has drawn significant interest from states, local communities, and rail stakeholders since its inception, and this year FRA received more than $1.1 billion in CRISI requests, which far exceeds the available funding. FRA applied rigorous selection criteria to ensure that eligible projects would serve communities by enhancing safety, creating economic opportunities, providing energy efficient transportation options, and h
Every derailment preventable!!!!!
Biden signed this bill into law on Nov 18 2021
Every four years, the American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE) releases a Report Card for America’s Infrastructure, grading a number of infrastructure categories then averaging them into an overall score for the country’s infrastructure. According to the 2021 Report Card, America’s infrastructure scores a C- grade overall. That means we’re going to need to do some extra credit to get that grade up.
Enter the $1.2 trillion Bipartisan Infrastructure Law, which provides funding for the types of work that must be done for our infrastructure to earn a passing grade. Here’s how the funds are set to be allocated, the impact it will have on freight rail, and how taxpayers benefit as a result.
Of the $1.2 trillion, $66 billion is allocated to rail; however, the vast majority of those dollars will go to passenger rail projects. That’s because freight railroads pay to maintain and expand their own infrastructure. On average, freight railroads invest approximately $25 billion a year to build and maintain their own infrastructure.
Freight rail infrastructure is in better shape thanks to the ongoing investments railroads make to maintain the network. The ASCE gives railroads a B grade, the highest grade in its 2021 Infrastructure Report Card. However, the ASCE’s rail category rates freight and passenger rail together, so it’s safe to say that if freight rail stood on its own, it would likely merit a higher grade.
How Does the Infrastructure Bill Impact Freight Railroads?
The $1.2 trillion Bipartisan Infrastructure Law will fund transportation-related roadway, bridge, transit and rail projects. Here’s how freight railroads, communities, and even the planet will benefit.
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Every four years, the American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE) releases a Report Card for America’s Infrastructure, grading a number of infrastructure categories then averaging them into an overall score for the country’s infrastructure. According to the 2021 Report Card, America’s infrastructure scores a C- grade overall. That means we’re going to need to do some extra credit to get that grade up.
Enter the $1.2 trillion Bipartisan Infrastructure Law, which provides funding for the types of work that must be done for our infrastructure to earn a passing grade. Here’s how the funds are set to be allocated, the impact it will have on freight rail, and how taxpayers benefit as a result.
What Types of Projects Does the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law Fund?
The Bipartisan Infrastructure Law bolsters budgets for things like roadway, bridge, transit and rail projects, upgrading broadband infrastructure to make the Internet accessible to all, addressing the climate crisis, promoting the use of and building infrastructure for electric vehicles, and improving power and water systems.Of the $1.2 trillion, $66 billion is allocated to rail; however, the vast majority of those dollars will go to passenger rail projects. That’s because freight railroads pay to maintain and expand their own infrastructure. On average, freight railroads invest approximately $25 billion a year to build and maintain their own infrastructure.
Freight rail infrastructure is in better shape thanks to the ongoing investments railroads make to maintain the network. The ASCE gives railroads a B grade, the highest grade in its 2021 Infrastructure Report Card. However, the ASCE’s rail category rates freight and passenger rail together, so it’s safe to say that if freight rail stood on its own, it would likely merit a higher grade.
How Will the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law Benefit Freight Railroads?
Even though Amtrak and passenger agency partners will be the primary beneficiary of the funds allocated to passenger and freight rail, that doesn't mean railroads, their customers, and the communities where they operate won't see benefits from the infrastructure bill. The following are just a few examples:- The infrastructure bill devotes an average of $5.55 billion per year over five years to infrastructure grant programs. These grants will fund multimodal freight projects that will relieve freight bottlenecks, improve connectivity, and fund industrial development projects that can connect freight rail to new markets and more communities. These projects include public-private partnerships in which railroads will contribute private funding proportionate to the benefits they receive as a result.
- The bill creates several programs that fund alternative fuel research and development, and deployment of lower emissions locomotives. This will help railroads in their efforts to address climate change.
- Congress created a $3 billion program dedicated to eliminating or improving the safety of grade crossings (where railroad tracks, roadways and/or pedestrian walkways meet). This will help to improve safety and quality of life for the communities in which freight railroads operate.
- Funding for the Consolidated Rail Infrastructure and Safety Improvement grant program (CRISI) will get $1 billion per year through 2026, up from $362 million in fiscal year 2021. These grants support things like regional and short line track and infrastructure projects such as major track upgrades and bridge replacements.
How Does Investing in Freight Rail Benefit the Community?
- Railroads help reduce congestion on U.S. highways. Because rail cars can hold three to four truckloads of freight, just one train can take more than 300 trucks off the road. When multiplied by a year’s worth of shipments across North America, that’s a lot of trucks. The result is reduced congestion on already overcrowded highways, less wear and tear on bridges and roadways, and a lessened burden on the taxpayers who pay to fix the damage.
- Moving freight by rail saves taxpayer dollars. Because freight railroads operate on infrastructure they own, build, maintain and pay for themselves, taxpayers save billions of dollars each year they would otherwise have to pay to maintain roadways if those shipments moved by truck.
- Railroad investments support economic growth. Between 1980 and 2020, America’s freight railroads spent nearly $740 billion on the country’s 140,000-mile rail network. Those private investments support 1.1 million jobs, generating almost $220 billion in economic activity.
- Railroads are the most environmentally responsible way to ship freight by land. On average, railroads are three to four times more fuel efficient than trucks on a ton-mile basis. That’s because railroads can move one ton of freight more than 480 miles on a single gallon of fuel, generating a carbon footprint up to 75% less than trucks. In fact, if 10% of the freight shipped by the largest trucks moved by rail instead, it would cut greenhouse gas emissions by more than 17 million tons each year — the equivalent of removing 3.35 million cars from our highways or planting 260 million trees.
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