Epstein files release

Clinton 1: I couldn’t remember their names so admittingly I did use google to search their names and when story broke. Gennifer Flowers and Juanita Broaddrick both were stories before Clinton’s first election. Paula Jones was a story before his 2nd Presidential election.
Clinton 2: To add onto that — millions voted for Hillary Clinton for President in 2016, ever after all of these affairs were reported, and there was ample evidence Hillary participated in the cover-up and publicly disparaged both Flowers and Jones..

Trump: I certainly agree there should be an independent investigation about what has been released in the files.

Wait, so your implication is it was wrong to vote for Clinton because adult women came forward and made accusations against him.

But, at the same time nobody knew about Trump even though he had already lost a lawsuit by his rape victim, E. Jean Carroll?

I think there should be an independent investigation to see if they can put him in prison. I think he needs to be removed now. "Beyond a reasonable doubt" is for criminal prosecution, not for getting to be the president.
 
Wait, so your implication is it was wrong to vote for Clinton because adult women came forward and made accusations against him.

But, at the same time nobody knew about Trump even though he had already lost a lawsuit by his rape victim, E. Jean Carroll?

I think there should be an independent investigation to see if they can put him in prison. I think he needs to be removed now. "Beyond a reasonable doubt" is for criminal prosecution, not for getting to be the president.
Your first two paragraphs are exactly the same

No, I was not implying it is wrong to vote. I was showing the sanctimonious hypocrisy of being mad for someone voting for Trump but ignoring the same issue for Clinton (BTW, Clinton paid Paula Jones nearly $1m).

As for Trump: No I don’t support removing him now. That is NOT how a functioning democracy works. Interesting and unfortunate how some are so willing to forgo due process of law.

But 100% support an investigation.
 
We now have quite a bit of evidence that goes perfectly with what we already thought might be the case that a former president and the sitting president raped kids.

And nothing is going to happen.

WTF IS WRONG WITH US!!!!
THIS IS INSANE!!!!!

Why are we not like this? ALL OF US!
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Too many of us have lost our morals as is represented by Republicans in Congress. If our country was as moral about right and wrong as back in the days of Nixon, Republican Congressional leaders would now be meeting with Trump to demand he either resign now or be impeached and removed from office. Trump said he learned a lot from Nixon. He better start acting like it in times such as these.
 
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Your first two paragraphs are exactly the same

No, I was not implying it is wrong to vote. I was showing the sanctimonious hypocrisy of being mad for someone voting for Trump but ignoring the same issue for Clinton (BTW, Clinton paid Paula Jones nearly $1m).

As for Trump: No I don’t support removing him now. That is NOT how a functioning democracy works. Interesting and unfortunate how some are so willing to forgo due process of law.

But 100% support an investigation.

It's cute that you think we have a functioning democracy right now.
 
As for Trump: No I don’t support removing him now. That is NOT how a functioning democracy works. Interesting and unfortunate how some are so willing to forgo due process of law.

But 100% support an investigation.
He has a 38% approval rating last week after Minneapolis

I'm betting it's going to be 32-35% after the Epstein drop, anti gun remarks, and raiding Georgia election offices over 2020

A functioning Democracy impeaches this guy and tries him for his criminal activity that have been numerously pointed out over the last year
 
I just can't fathom how you can say you aren't sure if he is guilty of anything or not and then say he deserves to be in prison. Seems like you are hedging your bet here.
I just can't fathom how you can't understand when I say if he is proven guilty he should fry along with the rest of them. That was my simple statement to @steross and per usual, the circle formed to imply that I voted for him knowing he is guilty.
 
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Too many of us have lost our morals as is represented by Republicans in Congress. If our country was as moral about right and wrong as back in the days of Nixon, Republican Congressional leaders would now be meeting with Trump to demand he either resign now or be impeached and removed from office. Trump said he learned a lot from Nixon. He better start acting like it in times such as these.
You say this like Republicans have cornered the market on immorality.
 
You say this like Republicans have cornered the market on immorality.
It's because they are from controlling Congress. If House Democrats filed to impeach Trump, it wouldn't get through. But I'd love to be proven out of date for thinking that. It will probably require Republicans filing for impeachment, though. But will they?
 
Your first two paragraphs are exactly the same

No, I was not implying it is wrong to vote. I was showing the sanctimonious hypocrisy of being mad for someone voting for Trump but ignoring the same issue for Clinton (BTW, Clinton paid Paula Jones nearly $1m).

As for Trump: No I don’t support removing him now. That is NOT how a functioning democracy works. Interesting and unfortunate how some are so willing to forgo due process of law.

But 100% support an investigation.

Paula Jones lawsuit was dismissed. She appealed after the Lewinsky affair and was given $850K to go away.

Yes, impeachment and removal of a president who did horrific things is exactly how a functioning democracy works. Yet another reason the mid-terms are going to be critical. Interesting and unfortunate that someone can be so clueless of the history of our nation before trying to be condescending. Educate yourself-Watergate. Was Nixon removed from office (resigned to stop removal) or was he convicted of a crime first? And, my God, raping underage girls is far worse than Watergate.

You know a "investigation" for criminal wrongdoing would just drag on for the remainder of this term with our compromised DOJ and would not affect Trump at all. Your colors are showing, yet again.
 
I just can't fathom how you can't understand when I say if he is proven guilty he should fry along with the rest of them. That was my simple statement to @steross and per usual, the gang joined in to imply that I voted for him knowing he is guilty.

It's hard to take your words at face value when things that have been a bridge too far for many don't seem to meet your standard.

Did you ever say if you thought he was guilty or not?
 
It's hard to take your words at face value when things that have been a bridge too far for many don't seem to meet your standard.

Did you ever say if you thought he was guilty or not?
I said I have no idea whether he's guilty or not. I tend to lean towards he didn't participate in Epstein Island atrocities because he is one who blew the whistle on Epstein. Again, if he is proven guilty, he needs to be impeached and fully prosecuted.
 
Was Nixon removed from office (resigned to stop removal) or was he convicted of a crime first? And, my God, raping underage girls is far worse than Watergate.
Yes raping is worse. Agreed - no question. But again there needs to be an investigation. Just because some unsealed emails allude or say that does not mean he should be removed.
You know a "investigation" for criminal wrongdoing would just drag on for the remainder of this term with our compromised DOJ and would not affect Trump at all.
Sure a thorough and impartial investigation might take that long. But he and his 70m+ voters won the Presidency. I know you want to just have him dismissed but that is not only how it works, it is absolutely how it should work.

And yes it would affect him. It could either exonerate him OR provide evidence enough to convict him. And if there is evidence to convict, I whole-heartedly hope he receives the maximum punishment.
 
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